Assassination? Bloomberg Says No, Rand Paul and Bernie Say Yes

Mish

The debate is on. Did Trump assassinate Qasem Soleimani, Iran's military leader?

Bloomberg vs Sanders

Michael Bloomberg is defending Trump. With that, I suggest Bloomberg's slim chances of winning the Democratic nomination just got slimmer.

Rand Paul on the Death of Diplomacy

Please consider ‘The Death of Diplomacy’: Rand Paul Condemns Strike on Soleimani, Says There’s ‘No Scenario’ for U.S.-Iran Peace Talks Now

Rand Paul: “The question is will there be more or less of the attacks. So what happens with his death is we’re sending thousands of more troops, which are thousands of more targets for them to shoot at, and I think that it is hard to imagine that the Iranians are going to shrink now and say, ‘Oh, you killed our leading general who’s been a leader in our country for 20 years, but we’re going to do nothing?’ I also think with the death of Soleimani, you have the death of diplomacy. I don’t think there’s any chance that Iran will speak to us again on diplomacy. This is a long way away from where we were after the nuclear deal was signed under President Obama. I wasn’t a fan of details of the deal, but I was a fan of diplomacy, the same way I’ve been a fan of is the president talking to the government or North Korea, even though we haven’t been successful yet. But I do think that all talk is gone now. You cannot kill a major general of another country and expect that they are going to sit down at the table and discuss with you. There’s just no scenario that I see that happening now.”

Grave Violation

Without a doubt warmonger fools will point to who's making the statement rather than the accuracy of it.

Anti-War Conservatives

Rand Paul Stands Up to Trump

Rand Paul on Pompeo

Rand Paul on Senate Democrat Hypocrites

Rand Paul on Heny Clay

Clay’s words still ring true: “A declaration of war is the highest and most awful exercise of sovereignty…such a vast and tremendous power ought not to be confided to the perilous exercise of one single man.”

Rand Paul on Undeclared Wars

"If we are to go to war w/ Iran the Constitution dictates that we declare war. A war without a Congressional declaration is a recipe for feckless intermittent eruptions of violence w/ no clear mission for our soldiers. Our young men and women in the armed services deserve better."

Rand Paul Question of the Day

"The question today is whether the assassination of Soleimani will expand the war to endanger the lives of every American soldier or diplomat in the Middle East?"

Rand Paul for President

I would vote for Rand Paul in a nanosecond.

Assassination?

I side with Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders and said so immediately.

However, the assassination label is not what's important. Rather, it's Trump's blatantly stupid war-perpetuating policies that are important.

Meanwhile, the Left Wing "Liberal Media" Cheers War and Assassinations. The list includes CNN, NBC, CNBC, and USA Today.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (61)
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Latkes
Latkes

Donnie fucked up, but there is still a chance to deescalate.

Jojo
Jojo

"You cannot kill a major general of another country and expect that they are going to sit down at the table and discuss with you. "

C'mon. Russia shot down a Turkish fighter plane and the pilots a couple of years back. Turkey made some threats but now they are buddy-buddy again.

Everyone is replaceable and money talks, nobody walks.

mkestrel
mkestrel

If congress does not like the result then repeal the war powers act. That would be a better use of time than the fake impeachment.

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

Solimani was arguably the most dangerous terrorist in the world. Am I supposed to be sorry Trump did something about him? Was this Trump's plan all along? (Getting out of Iraq, that is. The story keeps changing). https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-army-tells-iraq-it-preparing-move-out

Sechel
Sechel

Bloomberg is saying he'd act. This is Bloomberg. He's a CEO and he was mayor. He knows what it takes to lead. I don't believe he's picking an answer that will sell but speaking from the gut. I don't think the taking out of Soleimani is a problem so much as how Trump came to the decision. My own view is Trump upping the ante with Iran will hurt candidates like Sanders and Warren and favor those with leadership experience such as Biden and Bloomberg.

crazyworld
crazyworld

stillCJ zerohedge link : "Was trump playing 5D-chest after all (to remove troops from Irak (and Syria). I think most likely as he is a trained foxy businessman.

SMF
SMF

Good Lord, hasn't anyone here even bothered to independently figure out who this guy was before trying to sound educated in assessments over the stories?

He was in command of the 'Quds Force', tasked with extraterritorial operations. Peace mission? Seriously? Iraqis were just protesting Iranian presence in the country.

Brother
Brother

Take out Osama Bin Laden and you are a hero, Take out a general and get criticized, now we have endless parade of ex military officers denying any good. Un believeable, remember the media are experts in the middle east! lol

lol
lol

Trump's just another punk like Obama and Bush,droning a mofo is like shooting him in the back,cowards pull that chit.El presidente bone spurs got no stomach for war and the Iranians no that,pussy.

CzarChasm-Reigns
CzarChasm-Reigns

"it's Trump's blatantly stupid war-perpetuating policies that are important." ---Mish.

I believe it is much bigger than that: it is Trump's blatant stupidity that is important.

If one were a real leader, would you get headlines like this?

Esper contradicts Trump on targeting Iranian cultural sites: We 'follow the laws of armed conflict'

Top general says letter suggesting US would withdraw troops from Iraq was a 'mistake'

FloydVanPeter
FloydVanPeter

Qasem Soleimani had many powerful enemies. He has been commanding violent attacks on other countries - through proxies and with Iranian operatives.

Suppose two countries are in an armed conflict, then inflicting casualties on the other army is considered "ok". Right?

Aren't the US and Iran in some sort of slow motion armed conflict? Mostly, through proxies and allies. Yet, a conflict this is. Then, by extension, the case can be made Qasem Soleimani was killed, not assassinated.

Indeed Qasem Soleimani conducting many of these attacks via proxies or covertly makes things more complex. Yet, there is little doubt about his objectives and legacy.

All that said, this text doesn't take a stance whether it was smart for the US to take this action.

As a side note, the philosophy and logic why it is ok to kill the other side operatives but not civilians is rather interesting to say the least.

Terpolska
Terpolska

Ron Paul and/or Rand Paul for President/Vice-President. PLEASE GOD!

Webej
Webej

Trump & Pompeo are actually telling us the exact truth. You simply need to hi-light what they are saying, so you can see it in reverse video:

We took action last night to stop a war. We did not take action to start a war.

»We are trying to goad the Iranians into a foolish war, since the false flags over the past year have not worked out.«

We needed to strike to make sure that this imminent attack ... was disrupted.

»Getting rid of him surreptitiously has not worked out. Good thing an amendment to the NDAA funding bill was cancelled (Demanding a Congressional vote for any war against Iran or attempts to decapitate its leadership).«

... strike was aimed at disrupting that plot, disrupting further aggression and we hope, setting the conditions for de-escalation as well.

»Hopefully this will make it impossible for them to back down and not escalate the situation.«


There will be no WW3 and no Iranian provocations. The Iranians are not going to give the neocons in Washington exactly what they want.

However, the rogue nation supposedly fighting terrorism has just raised up a tidal wave of new Jihadi enthusiasts across the Muslim world. 

Jojo
Jojo

If Trump were on better terms with the CIA, he could have approached the assignation of Soleimani with a bit more subtly, more like his BFF Putin would do - a touch of polonium in his food or a poison sting from a robotic insect. But subtly isn't a Trump trait, is it?

JonSellers
JonSellers

The most important thing Trump can do is to get oil prices up high enough that fracking will finally be profitable. Otherwise important Trump supporters including billionaire oil men and bankers are going to lose trillions. Iran, Venezuela, and Russian gas pipelines all have to be shutdown. War with Iran can only be helpful. Hopefully Iran will shut the Strait of Hormuz and oil prices will skyrocket. Buy Exxon and Tesla.

ksdude69
ksdude69

War crimes only apply to those that can be punished. It's like being a child and playing monopoly with your older sister who's also the banker. Oh, you rolled a 3? Let's make that a 2 or ill smash your face.

Sleemo
Sleemo

"Michael Bloomberg is defending Trump. With that, I suggest Bloomberg's slim chances of winning the Democratic nomination just got slimmer."

How does zero get slimmer?

Sleemo
Sleemo

Mish, you like what Rand Paul says now, but just wait 5 seconds. And 5 seconds after that.

Anda
Anda

Try the second half of

The source of the text is a news outlet quoting representatives sat next to now caretaker pm Mahdi in conversation with the house speaker.

Personally I would want an audio recording or verification by Mahdi that those were his words. The original site seems credible, the text believable - I don't like the idea of sowing doubt which is a result both ways from an unverified text, but if this is the nature of the US rift it should be followed up by someone.

BaronAsh
BaronAsh
  1. Cui bono? (Hint: that Bloomberg and Trump agree on this). Put another way: what possible benefit is this for the US (to stir up the Iranian hornet's nest)?

  2. Another background source: https://www.moonofalabama.org

I read somewhere that S arrived in Iraq on the invitation of the US in order to discuss various terms, i.e. a friendly visit... Nope, it was the Iraqis:

"Before the vote Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi told the parliament that he was scheduled to meet with Soleimani a day after his arrival to receive a letter from Iran to Iraq in response to a de-escalation offer Saudi Arabia had made. The U.S. assassinated Soleimani before the letter could be delivered by him. Abdul-Mahdi also said that Trump had asked him to mediate between the U.S. and Iran. Did he do that to trap Soleimani? It is no wonder then that Abdul-Mahdi is fuming." (from section on Home Page titled: "Iraqi Parliament Expels Foreign Militaries From Iraq.")

If this was a Trump Admin hit (and not something done by rogue operatives inside or outside USG), I suspect the impeachment business is in play and that they were bullied into doing this on pain of losing a working majority in the Senate viz. any impeachment-related motions which just require a simple majority.

I'm generally against war too, but ever since WWII we've been bombing civilians to smithereens having abandoned the old model of only duking it out with armies in the field. Modern technologies leapfrogged over quaint delineations like fields, or even being on the ground altogether. We burned tens of thousands of people a night in huge fire bombings, not to mention far more with nuclear strikes in Japan.

So the notion that modern war should respect cultural treasures is, in this context, overly quaint. Indeed, if you are going to demoralize an opponent, you attack their cultural identity as well as their food and energy supplies. Indeed, war is waged mainly against regimes and populations these days, not so much as military to military.

In any case, what is most likely (imo) is that the USG is no longer in charge of all this. Wouldn't it be nice, though, if somehow the US did have to leave Iraq. That would deal the Neocons a real blow. (But it ain't gonna happen...)

Snow_Dog
Snow_Dog

“"The question today is whether the assassination of Soleimani will expand the war to endanger the lives of every American soldier or diplomat in the Middle East?" ~ Rand Paul

The answer today is no it will not expand the war. As for “endangering lives of every American soldier or diplomat” it seems as though the assassination of US Ambassador Stevens at Benghazi did that.

Expat
Expat

Ask yourself this: What would Americans say if Iran dropped a missile on Pence's head? Would they say, "Oh, well. It's all part of the great struggle between us and them." Or would Americans whine like the little, fragile bitches they are and scream about assassination, dirty Arabs (yeah, yeah, I know...Iranians are not Arabs but how Americans know that?), and death to all Muslims. Fuck America and their double standards. No one has apologized for downing the Iranian Airbus and no one was punished or reprimanded.


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