Democrat Impeachment Star Witnesses Useful as Dust

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The alleged star witnesses in the impeachment proceedings have turned into ashes.

The impeachment farce should have ended long ago. Instead, it lingers on and on and on.

The following video shows the alleged impeachment star witness hammered by Rep. Jim Jordan.

Here's the short version of the exchange.

Star Witness Testimony

Jordan: You didn’t listen in on President Trump & Zelensky’s call?
Taylor: I did not.

Jordan: You’ve never talked with Chief of Staff Mulvaney?
Taylor: I never did.

Jordan: You’ve never met the President?
Taylor: That’s correct.

Jordan: And you’re their star witness.

Project Take Down Trump

Never-Ending Impeachment Process

The Democrats have managed to turn a grave process into a dully partisan one says Kimberley Strassel in Impeachment as Usual.

Democrats have already lost their impeachment battle. That’s the takeaway from Wednesday’s first public hearing. What was meant to be a moment in history turned out to be business as usual.

Democrats laid out their best case for removing Donald J. Trump from office, repeatedly using words like “extortion,” “bribery” and “abuse of power.” Mr. Trump was accused of “presidential misconduct,” of a “shakedown scheme” and of “corruption.” He was said to have broken the law and violated the Constitution. Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro analogized the president’s actions to “attempted murder.”

The media will continue to imbue this event with gravity, to report every bit of testimony as more “bombshell” evidence against Mr. Trump.

Viewers watched the Democrats’ two star witnesses acknowledge that they had no firsthand knowledge of White House decisions on the aid. They were reminded that Ukraine got the money without launching an investigation into Hunter or Joe Biden. And they watched Republican congressmen make a persuasive case that Democrats are abusing the process by blackballing White House counsel from hearings and refusing to call witnesses from the Republican list.

Democrats and the media have accomplished the disturbing feat of turning it [impeachment] into day-to-day partisan warfare. And the public is understandably treating it as just that: Washington as usual.

Impeachment Polls

538 asks Do Americans Support Impeaching Trump?

If the question is whether or not the "process" should begin, then 51.8% approve on an entirely partisan basis.

Stupidity of It All

I am not going to attempt to change your mind on whether or not Trump committed any act worthy of impeachment. Your mind is likely made up.

Instead, focus on the farce of the process.

Impeachment is impossible. There is no hard evidence of anything and most likely, even if there was, Senate Republicans won't convict.

Witch Hunt

Russia was nothing but a political witch hunt from the beginning.

Ukraine was more promising, but the testimony of alleged star witnesses unquestionably turned to ashes even if you believe Trump is guilty as sin.

Where was it ever going? Senate Republicans were never going to convict.

That's not a good reason to sweep things under the rug, but had it not been for a silly Russia investigation, Ukraine would not have come into play.

Dead End After Dead End

Witch hunts inevitably turn into scenarios like this: Dead end after dead end.

Meanwhile, the Democrats managed to screw up their own debate schedules and political focus for less than nothing.

If the process fails, a victimization sympathy rebound ensues. After his impeachment, Bill Clinton Had a 73% approval rating.

Please note "The process failed."

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (183)
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Sechel
Sechel

Jim Jordan is a clown. The witnesses were credible and presented a picture of extortion and abuse of the public trust.

Sechel
Sechel

The public was against Nixon being impeached till the end. Let the process play out. You don't simply prosecute because its a popular thing to do, you prosecute because its the right thing to do

themonosynaptic
themonosynaptic

Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Simple fact. Republicans "won" so are OK with it, Democrats "lost" so are not OK with it. If China interferes with the 2020 election and the Democrats sweep the board, I expect the Republicans to switch, and the Democrats to try to tighten things so only Americans decide future elections. If the Democrats give Republicans a taste of their own medicine I'll be disappointed in them.

Trump and Rudi cooked up a "drug deal" (Bolton's characterization) in Ukraine, again some Republicans are OK with this, and some are pretending it didn't happen. Sad.

KidHorn
KidHorn

The democrats are a disaster. They took control of the house and have accomplished nothing. They won't win in 2020 because of their track record, but they'll probably win in spite of it.

The democrats will win because the majority of Americans are morons. The democratic party depends on it. Trump will win the high IQ states in the midwest and plains, but will lose the election because the low IQ areas are heavily populated.

awc13
awc13

bill clinton had the MSM on his side, changing the narrative of his impeachment to "it isn't illegal to have sex in the oval office" when that was not what it was about. it was about lying under oath.

Trump does not have the MSM on his side so he will not have a 73% approval rate after this is over. He will get a bump but not to 73%

awc13
awc13

why are the democrats doing this? sure, they have an eye towards the 2020 election but i think it may relate to ginsburg's health. the dems need trump under a cloud of suspicion to keep him from nominating a replacement if RBG should pass

themonosynaptic
themonosynaptic

Clinton was impeached for lying about a personal indiscretion. He walked. Nixon was impeached for covering up a criminal act, and resigned before the inevitable impeachment. Trump is covering up a criminal act (including extortion and bribery). There are two ways to extrapolate Nixon and Clinton to include Trump, but I expect Trump to create a new path - obviously guilty of an impeachable offence, but let off by a cowardly Senate.

Onni4me
Onni4me

No wonder the world is in such a state when people like Sechel and Monosynaptic are so deluded in their views... Russia did it! FFS!

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab

If you listen carefully to what is said, regardless of your political bias, one thing is clear; the deep state is a self-important, self-interested, overpaid, public servant, dedicated to preserving the status quo at all costs.

hmk
hmk

Can someone please explain why Nadler and Schitt threatening to withhold Ukrainian aid unless they cooperated with the Trump Russia hoax, or why Biden withholding aid unless they fired the prosecutor investigating Burisma is different? This actual extortion and fact. If the democrats didn't have double standards they would have none at all. None of the sycophant dem morons will look at facts. So the fuck what if Trump wanted an investigation I would also if I were in his shoes and so would anyone else. The dem assholes are pushing for a civil war.

Zardoz
Zardoz

The Republican Party is a cult now, and their church is Fox and Friends. The Obama Trauma finally pushed them over the edge. Better than Hillary? Maybe. A criminal, definitely.... and Hillary’s gone.

WildBull
WildBull

Isn't 90% of foreign aid quid pro quo? Is it wrong for the president to ask a foreign government to investigate a prominent and powerful American if he believes that a crime has been committed? Is it wrong to apply pressure in order to see justice done? Seriously, I fail to see the problem.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Just getting started Mish. There was no star witness. Also the thing to watch for is if the trade was in favor of something Putin and Russia asked for. I suspect it was and it just makes look Trump look bad again when it comes to Russia. He certainly has a thing for Putin who has him by the you know what.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Mish when the Mueller report came out, you said it was all over and I said Trump would still be up for impeachment by the House by the end of the year. I have my own sources. I will say removal from office is possible if the Republicans can come up with an alternate candidate. Even they don't want to live with Trump anymore but he has a hold of the party election apparatus (money) because the party of the president is the automatic head of the election resources for that party. If Trump was truly not guilty of anything he would not be trying to fight everything. Nonetheless he will be a compromised candidate come 2020.

Jojo
Jojo

Allow me to summarize Mish's post:

"My mind is made up. Don’t confuse me with the facts." -- Roy S. Durstine (Advertiser)

CzarChasm-Reigns
CzarChasm-Reigns

"Star Witness" is a Republican construct. Taylor & Kent went first for CONTEXT. Watergate started off as a snooze fest with some guy explaining the White House Organizational Chart for context.

The impeachment process is just gearing up. It is premature to declare it a failure.

To address another stupid Republican talking point: it does NOT matter if Ukraine EVENTUALLY ended up with the monies that had been AUTHORIZED. Nixon's attempt to have the IRS audit/hound his political opponents was still deemed an "abuse of power" even though the IRS did not comply.

Greggg
Greggg

Notice as the impeachment/hearsay "hearings"? progress, more solid information (Bank records, ect) spills out about Biden/&son, Kerry/Heinz, et al.

justaned
justaned

I think I'll leave this here for Casual Observer, and everyone else, of course. https://www.aier.org/article/the-birth-of-the-deep-state-a-history/ I think the whole impeachment thing is a joke, myself; as it was always political in nature. As for Russia, the ability of the GRU is either laughable or impressive, depending on the desired spin of the moment. May I suggest "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers" by Joseph Kennedy as an informative read as regards "modern" international relations? I also don't expect anyone to agree with me; fear not. :-)

abend237-04
abend237-04

Democrats are cheering. Republicans are jeering. Independents, like me, are puking in disgust at the whole damn beltway goat rodeo.

Mish
Mish

Editor

Damn lot of "simple" facts missing evidence of "fact"

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish

I'm with those who think this whole thing is 60% political jockeying and100% entertainment.

OK, let's assume Trump put the screws on the Ukrainian prez to get dope on Biden. Well, if Biden did a bad deed, then what's Trump supposed to do? Ignore it because, hey, Biden is his political opponent? I'd think just the opposite. Let's let these royal-court, DC types go at each other. Keep each other honest. AmIright?

But, sure, Hunter wasn't hired for his oil expertise. He was hired for being who he was. Think about that. American VP family guy in a high level position inside Ukraine. Gosh, I wonder what that position lets him do. Can you say, "Spying?" Or, to take the spin off, not "spying" but keeping an eye on things for America.

And, now what's with Trump even being so crass as to bring up the point with the Ukrainian prez? Jeez, it's not like the Ukrainians didn't know what Hunter was doing there.

Tengen
Tengen

American politics are such a joke. Trump isn't the problem, nor is he the solution. As a nation, we could be talking about the bankers, the MIC, or even Epstein, but instead we're going through this impeachment charade. Lots of red/blue rah-rah cheerleading for nothing.

Last night, my hometown NFL team (Browns) beat the Steelers with a much publicized, nasty brawl at the end of the game. Rather than admitting this was dumb, the people back home doubled down saying that violence was the correct answer, because Pittsburgh people cannot be reasoned with. Never mind that it's just a game, or that the players are from all over the country and switch teams frequently, or that Pitt is just a few hours away and they're not so different from us, what matters is that these fans felt personally emasculated because they lost to the Steelers for too many years. It's like the old Onion article about how the sports team from my geographical area is superior to the team from your geographical area, except these grown adults take it completely seriously.

We all talk about the corruption in this country, but a HUGE part of the problem is the average American. We're a nation of dopey people with no perspective on life. Red/blue theater and sports are hugely important, but don't bother us with the real world or any sort of complexity.

I want to fault elites and the media for turning people against each other, but when you have a few hundred million willing participants, I get why they do it. We didn't have to make it so easy for them!

ksdude69
ksdude69

Democrats moto: " If you can't beat your opponent, get rid of them". Poor Hillary is still after her prom queen crown.

AshH
AshH

I agree that it's very unlikely for the Senate to convict in a public vote, but if they choose to have a private vote, all bets are off.

Sechel
Sechel

They were reminded that Ukraine got the money without launching an investigation into Hunter or Joe Biden

The old I didn't succeed in my crime defense. I call this the Woody Allen take the money and run defense from the movie. Well an attempted or failed robbery or murder or extortion is still very much the same crime. Mish, you're better than this. A failed crime is still punishable. Come on!

mrutkaus
mrutkaus

Why isn't the pre-Biden time in Ukraine, the US assisted overthrow of the elected gov being discussed? It is as if everybody had clean hands up until Biden Sr. entered Ukraine. See Kunstler.com yesterday.

crazyworld
crazyworld

Mrutkaus is fully right. However the only way the proves of the loosely covered rôle of US (BIDEN) in the overthrow of an elected government too close to Russia (at the US liking) could come out, is trough the new ELECTED Ukraine government. Trump is here again fighting with the CIA (defender of the shadow government wether we like it or not) . I am not sure they (Ukraine) will dare to expose some facts because they dont know if Trump will be reelected or not.

jivefive99
jivefive99

Patience, grasshopper :) You dont start a story by starting at Chapter 8. While the Senate will shut this whole process down, as far as I can tell, Trump has pretty much admitted, and the evidence so far has verified, his being VERY unpresidential. Lets wait till all the testimony is in. But I do doubt it will have changed any minds. My mom's mind certainly hasnt been changed.

Country Bob
Country Bob

Hearsay-gate has reached peak stupidity.

Vote for / against Trump next year as you see fit, but don't wreck the whole system out of spite. Trump violated no laws, and everyone knows this. There will never be a democrat president if Schiff continues -- every president will be impeached at their inauguration by whatever partisan morons voted differently. It will just be perpetual investigations from here on out.

I think Pelosi let Schiff off his leash hoping he would either exhaust himself or discredit the entire extremist bowel movement known as California (its not just covering their streets).

But Schiff and AOC's infantile behavior is pretty much guaranteeing Trump a second term, which will only drive the extremists in California even more crazy.

At this point, the bureaucrats who tried to rig the election must go to prison, or else the viability of the entire federal system is gone... Its not clear Pelosi is able (even if she were willing) to pull her party back from the brink of insanity. (if the Republicans had their act together, Trump wouldn't have beaten a dozen of them in 2015 primaries).

Trump wanted to drain the swamp, instead the swamp is committing hari-kari to spite itself.

AndrewUK
AndrewUK

Although I am English and don't have a 'dog in this fight' I am concerned by what I see unfolding, and indeed saw unfold in the Mueller Investigation. While I appreciate that many of you on here loath and detest President Trump with a passion, and I can see he is not a terribly likeable sort of person, I would just raise a voice of caution. Many of you will be familiar with the film by Robert Bolt, 'A Man for All Seasons' so I copy a few lines here below -:

“William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”

Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”

Some of you commenting should pay heed to the last line. You should give the President 'benefit of law' not because you like him but for YOUR OWN 'safety's sake'.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab

Having watched three high-level representatives of the US Government in action, Kent, Taylor, and Yovanovitch, one thing is very clear. These people are weak, incapable of standing up to Russia. Where's the defiance, the 'look in the eye', the raw intelligence to control the argument, the wit to destroy moronic questions? God help us!

One Trump tweet makes Yovanovitch feels intimidated. Seriously? If she had the guts to stand up to Putin, she'd have ridiculed the tweet, something like... "Well, his butt is bigger than his brain." Go out with a bang, not a whimper.

NeverLiberal
NeverLiberal

Liberals want DJT out of office because they can't stand that...he was elected. Tough crap, we had to live with Oblunder-Boo for 8 terrible years. Suck it up, losers.

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant

Why do we have tanks? Are we worried about a tank invasion from Canada or Mexico? Every once in a while Trump poses a question like this. The response is to impeach him.

wxman40
wxman40

I'm pretty sure the "High Crime" here has probably been done by just about every President since James K. Polk.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Whatever the case is, it is not turning out well politically for the Republicans or Trump. Every state level he injects himself into turns to stone for the Republican party this November. So far he is 0 for 3. The tide has turned as states that were Republican strongholds are even buckling at local and state level races. The traditionally Republican suburbs in the south are now being flipped. Unless Trump has a miraculous turnaround, there is more trouble ahead. A longtime conservative radio host in Colorado was fired for anti-Trump comments. This may further deteriorate Republican support to the point where they may have to consider dumping Trump.

Country Bob
Country Bob

Trump may be the only person who benefits from this farce. I would prefer if Trump (or whomever) wins / loses based on merit, instead of Trump winning based on Schiff making an ass of himself and the democrat party.

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Schiff is a Russian asset, sent to help Trump win </sarc>

Either that, or Schiff is just an escaped mental patient like the Californians who voted for him

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

Democrat Rep. just asked today's star witness Vindman:

DEMOCRAT: "Would it ever be U.S. policy in your experience to ask a foreign leader to open a political investigation?"

VINDMAN: "There are proper procedures in which to do that. Certainly the President is well within his right to do that."

oops!

chepup
chepup

Just take a look at the nervous, paranoid, guilt ridden faces of the Democrats as Pelosi slurred her way through some kind of press event today. Every single one of them knows this is their last chance saloon. Make no mistake these clowns will tear down the very fabric of democracy rather than allow their crimes to be investigated. And don't kid yourself, there's a fair number of Republicans in the same sinking boat.

Now, seriously, do you really think the complicit Republicans want an all in brawl in the Senate chamber, with Trump's attorney's listing all the quid pro quo, stolen USAID $, money laundering, in fact every single scheme these grifters have used to enrich themselves over the last 40 years? Nah, not gonna happen.

The Democrats have put in lots of effort into their final year school play. But all shows must come to an end. They've taken their curtain calls, played their last cards.They got a whole lot of nothin left now. It's written all over their faces. This, their last gambit to try and get a deal from Trump. Give us a deal or we'll impeach you! There is no deal. They are all going to prison or will mysteriously leave politics and disappear as many Republicans already have.

It's been swell watching these utter clowns run in circles cursing the Orange Man Bad as they systematically obliterate the Democrat party from political history. Truly they are the most hilarious pack of losers ever assembled in one place.

It's when you realize who has been laughing at the American people for 40 years putting up with this punch and judy show in place of a real democracy...