Escape Illinois: Get The Hell Out Now, We Are

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Illinois is second to Alaska in net outbound migration. Many move out, but few move in.

Behind the Chatter

Please consider the Chicago Tribune article on the ‘Illinois Exodus.’

An “Escaping Illinois” Facebook group has more than 39,000 followers. One man even wrote a song called “Goodbye Illinois,” lamenting the state’s taxes and political corruption and expressing his desire to leave.

The state has been struggling to keep residents for decades, with more people leaving than arriving since at least 1970. But it’s only in the last few years that the state’s population and that of its largest and most important economic engine, Chicago, have slipped.

Outward Bound

In 2018, the state had an estimated net migration loss of 6.5 people for every 1,000 residents, according to the most recent census data. Five years earlier, the net loss was about 3 people per 1,000 residents.

The latest number puts Illinois 49th out of the nation’s 50 states on net migration loss. Only Alaska had a worse rate, with a loss of 11 people per 1,000 residents.

Population decline is also happening in more parts of the state. From 1990 to 2000, 68 of Illinois’ 102 counties gained population. But so far this decade, only nine counties, including Kane, Will and DuPage in the Chicago area, have added residents.

Goodbye Illinois

“Well, they’re taxing this and they’re taxing that, pretty soon there ain’t nothin’ left," Raudys sings as he strums a guitar. “Pension fund is so well run, worst in the nation: well done! I’d really like to stay, but I just can’t pay and pay.”

Absurd Census Questions

The Census Bureau conducts a survey every month that includes questions about why a person changed residences in the previous year. The survey offers a range of possible answers, from foreclosure/eviction to change of climate to “wanted better neighborhood/less crime.”

The Census Bureau does not ask about income taxes, property taxes, or even taxes in general.

Nor does it ask about business climate or any of the key reasons businesses leave. And if businesses leave, the workers follow or are forced to get another job.

Tax Load

The Illinois Policy Institute reports [Despite taxing both sales and income, Illinois has higher property taxes than every single state that does not charge an income tax](Despite taxing both sales and income, Illinois has higher property taxes than every single state that does not charge an income tax.).

Property Tax on Median Home Illinois vs Indiana

Illinois vs Indiana Migration

Nineteen New Taxes

The above article was from 2017.

On May 24, 2019, the Illinois Policy Institute commented Governor Pritzker's 19 Different Tax and Fee Hikes Total $6.9 Billion.

That is on top of new "home rule" taxes in Chicago and Cook County.

On July 1, the state doubled the Illinois’ motor fuel tax to 38 cents from 19 cents per gallon giving Illinois the second highest gas tax in the nation.

Home Rule Expands

Chicago’s “Netflix tax” expands statewide, with the state charging a 7% tax on users of streaming services, as well as cable and satellite customers. None of these services were taxed at the state level.

Other tax hikes include alcohol, property transfer taxes, parking taxes, and ride-sharing (Uber tax).

The new vehicle registration tax jumps to $199, the third highest in the nation, and electric vehicle registration goes to $250 every year to pay for the gas taxes that electric vehicle owners should be paying but aren't.

Tax Sinkhole

Where is the money going?

Governor Pritzker says it to fund infrastructure.

That't a huge lie. Nearly all of it will go to teachers unions and police unions as Illinois pensions are among the worst funded in the nation.

Huge Income Tax Hikes in the Works

The Illinois legislature recently approved a constitutional amendment to allow "progressive" income taxes.

The Illinois Policy Institute comments on what to expect.

The last state to implement a plan similar to Pritzker’s was Connecticut in 1996. State lawmakers made the same promises of middle-class tax cuts, property tax relief and increased spending on social services. Those promises were broken. In fact, the typical Connecticut family has seen a 13% hike in their income tax rates since the implementation of Connecticut’s progressive tax, property tax burdens increased 35%, and the poverty rate increased 47% during the 10 years following the passage of their progressive tax.

Get the H Out

The alleged "fair" tax is anything but.

And it will not stop here.

Finally! Out of this Progressive Socialist Hellhole

We are out of here. Can't take it anymore.

We pay close to $15,000 a year in property taxes on a home worth about $400,000.

Firm plans in place to move to Southern Utah in 2020.

Why Southern Utah?

  • North Rim Grand Canyon, Bryce, Glen Canyon, Great Basin National Parks just 2-3 hours away
  • Zion National Park about 40 minutes away
  • Capital Reef National 3 hours away
  • Death Valley National Park 4 hours
  • Arches and Canyonlands National Parks 5 hours
  • Joshua Tree National Park 6 hours
  • Mono Lake 6.5 hours
  • Many excellent state parks nearby within an hour
  • Las Vegas Airport about 2 hours away with cheap shuttles

In short, lower taxes, higher quality of life, escape from absurd property taxes.

Other states have lower property taxes or income taxes, but those national parks are a huge photo attraction.

Please check out Mish Moments, my photography website.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (72)
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BillinCA
BillinCA

Very sad... Congrats though on your escape plan. Utah is great. You mentioned the great state parks. Snow Canyon is one of my favorite!

tz3
tz3

Remember Lot's wife. Sell (maybe with some rentback) NOW!. I'm in Wyoming. 4% Sales tax, 0% income tax, See above map. They have high vehicle registration fees, not so high Fuel taxes and a few other things (Montana has zero sales taxes most places, just sayin' that Vancouver WA is a great Tax arbitrage...). Utah is also nice. In this area of the country you don't have to worry if you haven't locked your door (varys a bit, but burglaries make the front page of the local paper even when they aren't "lead poisoned" by the owner or neighbors).

Just do take efforts given the distance to prevent Californication. Let the locusts stay in their sidewalk waste hole.

RonJ
RonJ

I wonder what the waterfall moment is going to look like.

Snow_Dog
Snow_Dog

Perhaps Romney can get together with Obama and figure out some kind of reciprocity tax agreement between residents of UT and IL.

You could live wherever you like, but STILL pay taxes to Illinois. What a mess! You’re leaving, but not before Joe “Jeremy Corbyn” Maddon got the axe from the Cubs. You could say he was “brexited” from the manager’s job.

njbr
njbr

It's great if your focus is on outdoor activities regardless of season. There is snow in southern Utah and hot summers. Otherwise it is cable TV, internet and early-bird specials. Becoming LDS would a big plus, for you and be prepared for most things to be closed on a Sunday..

Irondoor
Irondoor

I would invite you to come to Montana, but we're trying to stop all in-migration from states run by Democrats. Seems the people from these states actually expect government to solve their problems. Just kidding Mish. You would be welcome. Try Bozeman.

wootendw
wootendw

"North Rim Grand Canyon, Bryce, Glen Canyon, Great Basin National Parks just 2-3 hours away Zion National Park about 40 minutes away Capital Reef National 3 hours away Death Valley National Park 4 hours Arches and Caynonlands National Parks 5 hours Joshua Tree National Park 6 hours Mono Lake 6.5 hours"

Don't forget Monument Valley on the border with AZ.

wootendw
wootendw

"We pay close to $15,000 a year in property taxes on a home worth about $400,000."

My Dad's house in Rockville, Md (which will be on the market soon) is valued at about $600k but the property taxes are only about $8000 - in a DC suburb near an HHS building with over 10k employees (ultra-'liberal' area).

Our property taxes in Chandler, AZ were about $1700/yr on a $360k house.

My new home in Norman, OK cost me $120k. The property taxes are about $450 annually. However, I am paying $1400/yr for hazard insurance.

Runner Dan
Runner Dan

The dry air is also a big plus over IL.

themonosynaptic
themonosynaptic

Bloody good decision moving to St. George. I spent a week in April crossing S. Utah and hit 6 NPs and one SP. All the NPs you hit on your trip.

St George was the gem of the area. Moab had so much potential but is like a bro’ ski town. Great for the youngsters but not a hit for us old farts.

It is definitely a place I’d think of moving.

thimk
thimk

but mish realisticaly , are there good karaoke bars in Utah ? jus say'n

Harry-Ireland
Harry-Ireland

Well, considering those propertytaxes, wouldn't it be wiser to sell the house, instead of renting it out, Mish? Also, it would give you closure.

Quatloo
Quatloo

Congratulations Mish!

ksdude69
ksdude69

Well thank god Kansas sucks so I wont have to worry about even more population growth. Thing that blows me away are the number of mexicans here. What, you were living in Mexico and said "i'm leaving, traveling 1000's of miles, probably without papers and landing in Kansas"?????

Yancey_Ward
Yancey_Ward

A place like southern Utah would be high on my list of final homes.

ZZR600
ZZR600

Wow, and I thought council tax in the UK was bad! $15k tax on a $400k property must be more than a typical mortgage. Is 25 years you'd lose more than the value of the property, that's crazy

Blurtman
Blurtman

Starring Kurt Russel as Mish Shedlock.

Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear

I caused the NY population to drop.

numike
numike

Utah's climate is to dry and where is the nearest synagogue??

Perrin Clemenceau
Perrin Clemenceau

Mish... St. George I would assume? I live in Salt Lake City but I'm in Southern Utah quite frequently. Welcome! Given your passion for photography it would be difficult to find a better relocation destination.

Nammie12345
Nammie12345

Before the Utahans welcome him too much, I remember when Mish wrote about supporting magazine bans. He saw no reason to allow people to have 30 rd mags. If he moved into my area, he would not be welcome. Sorry Mish, we dont forget things like this.

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

Mish, you did not mention Monument Valley, one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_Valley Great place to visit and photograph but I wouldn't want to live there. Most parts of Utah are really nice except the desert parts.

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

Illinois has a little known way of encouraging people to leave: If you collect a state pension, it is reduced if you take another job in IL, but no reduction if you move to another state and continue working.

Gene414
Gene414

It might be instructive to review the case of the city of Central falls, RI. RI is a heavily taxed state, and even with that many of its cities are in terrible shape.The little (less than 0.9 sq. miles) city was beset with corruption and lost population for decades...it also is a major drug distribution point for SW New England (the RISP has a whole group just watching the Central Falls rackets). The city went bankrupt around 12 years ago-there was simply no way to fund the retired police/fireman's pensions. The state appointed a receiver, who cut all the pensions by 50%. A lot of wailing and crying-but this is what HAS TO BE DONE! This has to happen in Illinois, or the economy will completely collapse. Meanwhile, Chicago drains the coffers-and the crooked gang that runs it is banking on a Federal "bailout"-not happening under Trump!

Country Bob
Country Bob

For decades, the majority of dim-wits in IL voted for bigger government, bigger corruption, and higher taxes. They got exactly what they voted for.

Hopefully they will stay in IL and enjoy the results of how they voted. Do not come to other states, vote like F'ing morons, and then complain that YOU screwed up more places. Just stay in Chicago and enjoy shooting each other -- you with the strictest gun laws but least effective school system.

I don't know how much Mish voted with the majority of IL... but the majority of IL needs to stay put and pay LOTS more. You voted for it, you pay.

Cecil1
Cecil1

People are on the left because while they would resent being robbed by their neighbour, they are more than happy to get the government to do it for them without a twinge of conscience.

Mish
Mish

Editor

Also only 5 hrs from Sedona

Here's Monument Valley

Country Bob
Country Bob

Portsmouth NH is well within commuting distance of Boston, TAXachussetts. A lot of the left wing "I am such a liberal" types in Boston managed to make their city into a hell hole, so they moved up to Portsmouth to avoid the taxes that they insisted were so necessary.

Taxes for YOU are necessary. Taxes for the left wingers who voted for those taxes are somehow unreasonable.

When I visited a couple years ago, the people of Portsmouth made sure the tax-and-spend types knew they were unwelcome. Bars in Portsmouth displayed signs telling the Mass-holes to go back to Boston. I had lunch at a burger and micro-brew pub in the middle of Portsmouth, and the waitress first talked with me to make sure I didn't have a Boston accent. Yes, the long time residents were not joking around. My accent gave away that I am not from Boston (not even close) and I told the waitress I was visiting a customer who had lived in NH his entire life.

Enough Mass-holes had moved into the Portsmouth area that they were driving up the cost of living for lifetime residents. The Boston transplants were demanding all sorts of city services which, if added, would drive up taxes. Housing prices near the highway and near the train station shot up. Cable TV and internet costs skyrocketed because the Mass-holes wanted high speed internet to telecommute. Food prices went up as the Mass-holes refused to eat local foods (they wanted expensive imports like they were used to in Boston).

So there was a huge push among native Portsmouth residents to make the Mass-holes unwelcome. My waitress had lived in Portsmouth her entire life, and was not going to be forced to move without a fight.

Not saying Mish is the Chicago equivalent of a Mass-hole. But the majority of Chicagoans are... and they should stay put and enjoy the utopia they voted for

Mish
Mish

Editor

"I don't know how much Mish voted with the majority of IL... but the majority of IL needs to stay put and pay LOTS more. You voted for it, you pay."

We had crooked and convicted governors from both parties. Did not matter how one voted.

Rauner, whom I voted for twice, had a chance to do something different then caved in

Freebees2me
Freebees2me

Mish,

Finally throwing in the towel.. Good luck! Utah's supposed to be really pretty. Crystal Lake won't be the same without you....!

Had friends up the road in Spring Grove sold their house for $275,000. They were paying about $9,000 ANNUALLY in property taxes (that's 3.2% of the sales price). They left Illinois.

A couple years ago, some other friends sold their large, custom-built home in Long Grove for a little over $1,000,000. The buyers recently sold the same house for a little over $600,000 - that's 'blood bath'... Taxes were close to $30,000 ANNUALLY! Almost 5% ANNUALLY.

Look for the State to significantly increase the real estate transfer tax as well as income taxes........... They know people are leaving and not coming back...

ottertail
ottertail

I moved to Utah. One year later I moved out. People are very nice and solid from good stock. Pleasant enough, but if you're not a Saint it's hard to get close to them. Scenery? The best anywhere. Makes Colorado look like a dump. All that going for it and I couldn't last more than year. Maybe you'll have more luck. I hope so. My story is the norm, unless you're planning to convert.

LoneRanger73
LoneRanger73

In addition to confiscatory taxes, the People's Republic of Ill-annoy is very anti-Second Amendment (FOID card).

Mish
Mish

Editor

" If there was any fairness - you should be forced to live it in it instead of infecting more sane areas with your political foolishness."

Asinine comment of the year - and obviously false too

I support reduced government and government spending. Trump ought to try it.

I am against public unions and have been all my life. Never once voted for a union candidate which makes 2banana a liar.

Trump did nothing on that score. Nor did he propose bankruptcy reform which easily would have passed.

For that, 2banana exposes his anti-Mish bias to the nth degree.

He is clearly a delusional "Trump can do no wrong kind of idiot" hiding behind a TDS accusing mask.

And on top of it, he proposes a policy that amounts to once you are born in a blue state you cannot leave it.

2banana you are really pathetic.

Thanks for exposing yourself

Jjdimps
Jjdimps

Mosh, not sure why Ottertail could only make it a year. You made a good choice. I have run a Raymond James Office in Houston for 10 yrs since leaving Merrill Lynch after 15 years. Have always loved your work.

My wife and I plan to retire to SAlt Lake where she is already there full time. People are great. Hard working, family oriented, and demand state and local government that works, not waste. Most fiscally responsible state in The Union (or what is left if it). And entrepreneurial, too!

Best of luck with the move!

Freebees2me
Freebees2me

Re: 2banana

Mish - why even address a total jackass like that? he or she needs to get a life.

ahh
ahh

Two big problems in Southern Utah. One is the water supply (both surface and ground). Two is the residual radioactivity and chemical contamination from nuclear and related testing. Nice area but those are major problems. Definitely good to leave Illinois though.

KarlHungus53
KarlHungus53

Now do New Jersey.

ReadyKilowatt
ReadyKilowatt

Glad to hear you're coming to the "way out" west. I made the move (from Pennsylvania) back in 2004 and never looked back. Unfortunately the Californians are fleeing for Colorado, and bringing their politics along with them. Nice thing about Utah is it is pretty much ruled by the Mormon Church, and they aren't going to put up with "Californication."

You might want to look at Mesquite NV too. No state income tax, and far enough away from Vegas to avoid most of their troubles. Not sure what the Californians are doing, but if they're invading I'm certain they're bringing their plagues with them.

Country Bob
Country Bob

@ReadyKilowatt wrote: "Unfortunately the Californians are fleeing for Colorado, and bringing their politics along with them."

That is a problem all over the country.

Mass-holes from Boston are ruining New Hampshire.

Chicagoans voted for corruption, ruined their own city, and then they want to move to Arizona (Mish might have voted differently, but the majority of Chicago wanted and voted for taxes and corruption).

New York City and New Jersey, having run a massive economic center into the ground, are now moving to Florida to wreck yet another state.

Why aren't these losers happy staying in the tax-and-spend utopias that they insisted on having?

Mish doesn't seem to be a typical (majority) IL voter, but the overwhelming majority in IL voted for what they are getting. The majority of NYC residents keep voting for corruption and high taxes, and then they complain about getting exactly what they voted for.

Its important to ask why these fools screw up their own locales, and then move like locusts to mess up more locales. What happens to Mish's plans if he moves to Utah, and then one of the socialists running for president gets into the White House? He will have moved for nothing.

And while we all comment about Mish moving for nothing, we are asking because we the commenters don't want to have moved for nothing. We don't want the tax and spend types following Mish out of Chicago. How do we invite the Mish's of IL to our community, while filtering out the tax-and-spenders?

frozeninthenorth
frozeninthenorth

A propos of nothing. In Utha many restaurants don't serve Coke because its got caffeine in it (swear to God -- this actually happened to me a few years ago...a tiny restaurant in the middle of nowhere). On the other hand Mohab has to be the "coolest town" I've even been to.

Other huge advantage (winter doesn't last 8 months...)

Onni4me
Onni4me

15000 US dollars a year? Jeez...I'm speechless. It seems we are heading towards a situation that any normal family with two working adults would have one persons salary going directly just for the taxes...

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

There is nothing remotely redeeming about Illinois or most of the midwest and most of the south. Welcome to the West Mish. The Rockies and West are some of the most beautiful places you can take pictures.

awc13
awc13

like the stock market where if you sell a share someone else buys your share, how about homes in illinois? if you sell your home and move to indiana, someone buys your house. where to they come from? in state population growth?

cyberbryan
cyberbryan

should all work out good as long as the people moving into the state don't bring the same political values that caused them to leave Illinois, CA and other liberal states

Smegmatite
Smegmatite

I actually make quite a decent amount of money and glad I got the hell out of Illinois and moved to Nevada. Literally better everything here... no regrets!

Stride
Stride

Moving from Illinois to Indiana is like moving from West Hell to East Hell.

staffmark
staffmark

Illinois- the California of the Midwest, only with no scenery, terrible weather, and no home appreciation! www.getoutofillinois.com