Greatest Shutdown Ever: Trump Says Shutdown Could Last Months, Even Years

Trump told Congress the shutdown could last years. He now considers declaring a national emergency to build the wall.

The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Considers Declaring National Emergency to Build Border Wall.

President Trump said he was considering declaring a national emergency to build a southern border wall if Congress doesn’t fund it, following a Friday meeting with congressional leaders that both Mr. Trump and Democratic lawmakers described as contentious.

Mr. Trump said he hoped the shutdown “doesn’t go on even beyond a few more days,” but also said he told congressional leaders that the shutdown could last for months or even years if Democrats don’t agree to fund the border wall.

Later in his remarks, the president floated the idea of bypassing Congress. “We can call a national emergency because of the security of our country,” he said, adding: “I may do it.” But he said he preferred to negotiate with lawmakers to obtain funding.

A spokesman for the House Appropriations Committee called the move “legally dubious” and said it would “invite a legal challenge from Congress.”

Wall Without Funding

Curiously, a wall without funding was the top vote-getter in my January 1 poll.

Rest assured this won't go years. At some point Congress would override a Trump veto.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

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George_Phillies
George_Phillies

For a long time, nothing will happen. There is finally a sign of pressure...TSA body searchers are becoming ill at several airports.

Jojo
Jojo

Any declaration of a "National emergency" by Trump will be immediately challenged in court, where it will likely take years to resolve. SO that's not going to work for Trump.

As to the shutdown, I was watching CNN this AM and apparently, the government is going to have to pay all back pay for [at least] union employees, based on a previous court case that the government lost back in 2013 from the last shut-down AND they are going to have to pay double. So at least a couple hundred thousand government employees are eventually going to get double pay for each day they are out. Which is going to cost in the hundreds of millions of $$. But who cares. We are already running at least $1 trillion deficit, so the government will just add another billion or two to that number.

Every way you look, Trump is a loser!

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Trump can still deploy the military to southern border and instruct them to shoot at anyone who tries to cross the border at non check points.

Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi

How will the "optics" be when poor families with kids start going hungry without SNAP? These are real people with real difficulties, and something like 40% of SNAP households have kids. Trump is basically taking hostages in this negotiating and the Democrats should not reward this behavior. Open the government and then we can talk about some kind of deal... we can even bring back the 25 billion Democrats already offered for a wall in exchange for solving the Dreamers issue.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

But CNN also has guests on claiming government employees are struggling to make ends meet. They will never reveal that employees will get back pay and more and want us to think they should be unemployed.

Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi

I know lots of young people who have jobs similar to TSA jobs... guys who work at the airport for Fedex, other shipping companies, or just general airport jobs... all of them live paycheck to paycheck, (like most Americans!) and they would get wrecked by suddenly losing a paycheck. These are real people and you are thinking make believe about them.

Sechel
Sechel

trump is babbling incoherently. in one breath he says shutdown will last years in another he's threatening to use emergency powers and use the military to build his wall. both statements cannot be true

Zardoz
Zardoz

Trump can't back down because Ann Coulter called him a wimp. So Ann Coulter controls the presidency now. This is what it has come to... a has-been reality star in the oval office, controlled by a RageTV pundit.

wootendw
wootendw

"Rest assured this won't go years."

I'd rest better if were assured it would go years.

AshH
AshH

Winning

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

If the shutdown causes welfare programs and other free stuff for non-citizens to end, we won't need a wall.

Blacklisted
Blacklisted

"Rest assured this won't go years. At some point Congress would override a Trump veto."

Why? Trump's support amongst districts he carried has only gotten stronger. Republican's would be signing their death warrant if they voted to overthrow his veto.

Besides, why shouldn't some govt employees get a taste of reality? Private sector employees have no guaranttee, especially if doing non-essential work. If these people had to compete in the private sector, they would have been unemployed long ago. Being unemployed makes one figure out how to add value quickly.

Costs in the health care industry will contract by 40% one way or another in the coming decade. Who is going to feel sorry for all the pencil pushers that provide zero actual health care to patients when their "jobs" go bye bye?

As people continue to leave states that are circling the govt pension drain, govt employees will have to be cut. The same problem exist at the Federal level, so why is it unconscionable to cut Federal employees. If you have to borrow to pay your bills, you are destined to implode.

For those that think the govt should be funded before negotiating on the wall, I must ask - should we drop sanctions on countries like Iran, Russia, and S. Korea? It's called leverage. If we remove sanctions or completely fund govt, where is the motivation for leaders to change?

THE ECONOMIC DECLINE AROUND THE WORLD IS THE RESULT OF GOVT'S ENDLESSLY INCREASING TAXES, FEES, AND ASSET FORFEITURES TO PAY FOR UNSUSTAINABLE GOVT PENSIONS, PERKS, AND POWER.

If govt is not going to proactively reform and downsize to allow for economic expansion, then govt shut downs are the next best thing, provided back-pay is only severance. The sooner govt employees get acclimated to the real world, the better. Since govt has no intention of ever paying back the debt, which is impossible, the only solution is debt-equity swaps and the private sector running most of what govt inefficiently provides now. There's no better time than the present.

ReadyKilowatt
ReadyKilowatt

Meanwhile, the National Parks are still operating, albeit in a somewhat disorganized manner. Imagine, people acting on their own free will, without Uncle Sam's guiding hand. Oh sure, it's not perfection, but it has only been two weeks (with holidays and vacations). The Park Service has had 100 years to get organized. I'm fairly certain if this shutdown goes for more than a few months there will be crowd funding initiatives, state funding, local funding and probably just people pitching in to keep the parks nice. In fact I'd bet visitors, already accustomed to the "pack it out" mentality, will just take it on themselves to clean up and quite possibly even better than the paid Park Service employees.