Johnson to Corbyn "Call an Election, You Great Big Girl's Blouse"

Mish

The bill to prevent a no deal Brexit passed today in commons by an even bigger margin than the vote to have a vote.

Fingerpointing and name-calling insults are the order of the day in the UK parliament as the Bill to Stop No-Deal Passes by Majority of 29.

Summary

  • The vote to have a vote passed yesterday by a margin of 328 to 301, with 21 Tories (now ex-Tories) voting against the government.
  • The vote today was 329 to 300.
  • Tory Dame Caroline Spelman voted for passage on a "three line whip" but will retain party membership as Johnson considers yesterday's vote a vote of confidence but not today's. This makes little sense to me.
  • Boris Johnson will open the debate holding an early election in the Commons this evening.
  • The shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, has said Labour and other opposition parties have yet to decide when they might support Boris Johnson’s call for an election, saying this would only happen when they were certain that no-deal Brexit on 31 October had been blocked.
  • McDonnell's statement: "We want to get the legislation secure, with royal assent, but we’re also not going to be tricked or conned, so we’re looking at every way in which, having secured the legislation, that he can’t wriggle out of abusing by the law."
  • At the moment there’s nothing that Johnson has done in recent weeks that gives us the confidence that he’s going to abide by the law.
  • When asked about Johnson, Trump replied "He’s a friend of mine, and he’s going at it, there’s no question about it … Boris knows how to win. Don’t worry about him."
  • A judge at the highest court in Scotland has found Boris Johnson’s planned prorogation of parliament lawful, the Press Association is reporting. Legal action aimed at preventing the UK government suspending parliament ahead of the Brexit deadline of 31 October was considered at the court of session in Edinburgh.

Epic Filibustering Attempt Coming Up

  • The Remainer hope is to get the bill passed in the House of Lords by 5:00 PM Friday. Debate starts tomorrow.
  • A filibuster attempt is certain but the outcome is uncertain.
  • Peers are debating a business motion tabled by Labour designed to ensure that, if the Benn bill intended to stop a no-deal Brexit on 31 October goes to the Lords tomorrow, it can clear all its stages by 5pm on Friday.
  • A business motion is needed because in the Lords bills are not subject to programme motions, meaning in theory debates can go on forever. The Liberal Democrats support the business motion and so, given that the Tories do not have a majority, it should pass.
  • But before peers get to vote on it they will have to debate the amendments to the business motion. On today’s order paper (pdf) there are 86 of them. In the Lords every amendment normally gets debated, and peers are normally free to speak for as long as they want, making it filibustering heaven.
  • The only way to fast-track a vote is to move a closure motion. But even these take time, because peers first have to vote for the closure motion, and then vote for the amendment. So, in theory, 86 amendments could translated into 172 votes.

Shaving Kit Needed

Early Elections?

Things Really Getting Screwy

MPs agree amendment to Benn bill to put cross-party version of May's deal back on table.

This amendment would set out as the purpose of seeking an extension under article 50(3) TEU the passage of a withdrawal agreement bill based on the outcome of the inter-party talks which concluded in May 2019.

This means that, if the PM needs to request an article 50 extension (because he has not negotiated a new deal, and MPs have not voted to approve a no-deal Brexit), then getting an extension to pass a version of the Theresa May deal becomes government policy.

Effectively, that means that any Brexit delay would not be a blind delay; it would be a delay to enable a version of the Theresa May going through. It is not clear whether this has passed by accident - or as a result of some cunning plot.

May's Deal Back in Play?

Graeme Cowie is a Commons Library Clerk. If he doesn't know, who does?

Here is the amendment EUROPEAN UNION (WITHDRAWAL) (No. 6) BILL

Unless it passes an actual vote, it will be meaningless after the next election. It is unclear if this is a mistake, and if so by whom.

Boris Johnson's Speech

“Today [parliament] has voted to stop, to scupper any serious negotiations,” he says. Adds that the purpose of the Benn bill is to take away the right of this country to determine how long it wants to stay in the EU and to hand it to the EU.

“Under any circumstances this country will leave the EU on October 31,” he says.

He calls again for an election on October 15.

“I think it’s very sad that MP’s have voted like this, I do, I think It’s a great dereliction of their duty.”

Brexit Pact With Nigel Farage Coming Up

Nigel Farage, the Brexit party leader, has welcomed the news that Steve Baker, the new chair of the powerful European Research Group caucus in the Conservative party, favours a pact with the Brexit party if there is an early election.

Really Screwing It Up

Arj Singh is Deputy Political Editor for the Huffington Post UK.

Clearly, this man cannot think.

Johnson is doing everything possible to gain the trust of Nigel Farage.

UK Election Polls

Those polls are unchanged from yesterday.

Tories stand to lose 13 seats or so in Scotland to the Liberal Democrats.

They would have to make that up elsewhere. I believe they would, easily, if the Brexit Party and the Tories align.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (42)
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Carlos_
Carlos_

Well saw part of the debate on Bloomberg very lively!

Matt3
Matt3

So exit October 31 or not?

Mish
Mish

Editor

"So exit October 31 or not?"

Possibly not - Depends on Election Date But postponement solves nothing.

The EU will not deal as long as no deal is off the table. What the move did is temporarily take a deal and no deal off the table, solving nothing but arguably giving the UK 3 more months to prepare.

If there are elections, Johnson will go for no deal if there is no time for a deal.

Webej
Webej

In the Netherlands they were planning a 31 October beach party with thousands in attendance to wave the UK good bye.

This screws up the plans. And in January the beach is no good.

Webej
Webej

Filibuster is not an English word. It's American in its current usage.

Bastardization of Dutch vrijbuiter (uitbuiten means to exploit, so a free-wheeling operator, particularly in the context of pirates operating for various sovereigns).

Stonewalling seems a more English variant.

nodhannum
nodhannum

Wish, this is from a comment on Zero Hedge. Is it accurate?

Right, MPs have rejected a GE. De facto, they approve of the current Government. Boris will, I think, now not recommend to the Queen any legislation passed by the House he does not like (i.e. The further delay Bill). No Royal Assent, no Law. A reminder that Blair did this kind of block three times. The only way to remove the PM's block is a VoNC, which can basically be asked for at any time. I'm sure Boris and the Moggster (Lord President of Privy Council) will remind the Queen that the House can pass a VoNC any time they like if they don't like his block. This will result in the GE Boris has asked for anyway.

The opposition are stuffed. The Remainers are stuffed. The EU is stuffed.

Several of those booted out of the Tory Party looked quite shocked - they are idiots. Boris needed a minority to make his point about the VoNC valid.

Constitutional Law detail here (bottom half): https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2019/01 ... ench-bill/

Furthermore, if Boris simply doesn't recommend the further delay Bill to the Queen and Sep 10th rolls along, the House is prorogued, and when they come back a VoNC will be too late to have a GE before Hallowe'en anyway.

Game, Set, Match to Brexit.

Mish
Mish

Editor

I do not know if Blair did this three times or not.

But I intended to write a similar but more specific post on the topic.

Here is the shorty version. Unless Corbyn agrees to elections there is no way in hell Johnson will submit that bill to the Queen.

Assuming a filibuster fails, all Johnson has to do is say he wants to study the bill for a day. Guess what?

Starting September 10, parliament will be out of session until October 14. Then Johnson can deliver the Queen's speech starting a new session.

It is my understanding that all all prior legislation is then thrown out the window.

Parliament would have to start all over. That would likely take 4 days minimum. Oct 18. No time to boot Johnson - fancy that. Elections take 14 days minimum.

Can Johnson be forced to submit the bill? How so? And what if he waits 3-4 days, and then gives the Queen's speech on say October 17 or Oct 18.

Now what? Give Parliament another 4 days to do this again. We are now at Oct 22.

Johnson just has to defy parliament for 9 days. Would he? I believe so.

Avidremainer once again does not understand the options.

Lance Manly
Lance Manly

That is a lot of political capital to use up. But look at the bright side, once it is done Boris can do a Trumpian free trade deal. Chlorine washed chicken, hormone and antibiotic feed beef, roundup ready corn, the pharmas being able to charge whatever they want and united healthcare picking at the bones of the NHS. On Britannia!

Country Bob
Country Bob

@Lance Manly Manly : "united healthcare picking at the bones of the NHS"

Once the north sea oil fields topped out production (and the taxes / royalties to the UK treasury topped out with it) -- the fate of the NHS was sealed. NHS is going to collapse and probably destroy the UK government's balance sheet in the process.

There is no such thing as free health care. Someone pays the costs. In the UK (and Canada and Norway), that someone was oil royalties. And the eco-terrorists are working to make matters worse.

Too bad most voters in US/UK took public school math (and home economics has become a joke too). The numbers behind public health care don't add up, and they never have.

Now that the oil subsidies are gone, people in UK must find a new revenue source or else dismantle the NHS. Time to grow up and face the facts. There is no such thing as free.

Perhaps the UK can use the money they currently waste in Brussels to postpone the day the NHS collapses? It won't save the NHS, but it would buy time to come up with something that is actually viable.

Somehow I doubt the selfish remainers are going to run the numbers on NHS, since they already refused to run the numbers on the EU. Neither works without massive external subsidies that simply do not exist

Herkie
Herkie

Maybe one of our more learned English posters can clarify something for me. Is "You great big girls blouse" an insult? Or is it a political office or what? I mean it would seem sort of sexist and grossly immature if he was saying that to insult someone.

Oh, and the irony of Nicola Sturgeon telling Johnson ANYTHING about respecting the will of the people in a general election.... If she were a guy I would say she had brass balls even bringing the subject of respecting the vote of the people who voted to LEAVE THE EU!


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