No Improvement in Corporate Profits Since 2012

Mish

The BEA tells us today that Corporate Profits are down 1.1% from a year ago. Profits are below a level reached in 2012.

For 9 years corporate profits have gone nowhere. The same cannot be said about the stock market or earnings.

It's a tale of two reporting methods.

Reported Earnings vs Taxes

For tax purposes, corporations want to look as bad as possible.

Income and profit shifting are massive. Many of the largest companies pay no income taxes.

Reported earnings are another matter. Companies throw away anything and everything as "one time expenses". Then we have analyst estimates that are purposely low just so corporations can "beat the street" no matter what they report.

S&P 500 Earnings

If you are a bull, then the above S&P 500 Earnings Chart gives you an excuse.

However, its pro-forma look nonsense that artificially makes stocks look cheap despite the fact that earnings always revert to the mean.

Shiller CAPE PE

On a Shiller CAPE basis (Cyclically Adjusted PE) basis, this market is one of the most expensive in history, only exceeded by the stock market bubble in 2000.

Even then, there were huge bargains in some sectors, notably energy. Now there are just bubbles giving rise to the "everything bubble" meme.

Regardless, the charts are there and the analysts are cheering. It's easy to believe whatever story you want to hear.

For further discussion along these lines, please consider Where Will the Stock Market Be a Decade From Now?

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (12)
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Curious-Cat
Curious-Cat

"this market is one of the mist expensive in history"

No doubt a Freudian slip but somehow oddly appropriate.

Harry-Ireland
Harry-Ireland

It's even worse than this, Mish. Real GDP growth vs Public Debt growth for instance. Top SP500 companies paying $0 taxes, incentivising stockbuybacks, combined with QE and interestrate-manipulation cannot produce real and organic growth. So here we are, it's one giant false paradigm. How do we get out of this?

Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus

Buybacks reduced the volume of stocks outstanding, and unicorns can binge on debt forever.

Profits are a legacy concept. -- Yours truly, the FED.

TimeToTest
TimeToTest

Just submit to the market. I have fought it for years. The big drop is right around the corner. Always. Since 2015.

SP500 just keeps on going up. You can’t fight the Fed. Give in and enjoy the gains. Set stops to catch the door.

Stuki
Stuki

And that "no improvement" reading results, when measured in a unit which has been diluted 50% or so since back then....


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