Paul Krugman is More Than One Toke Over the Line

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Paul Krugman's latest op-Ed is laughable, as usual. It's his own reply to a reader question that's worthy of discussion.

No Smoking Gun

In his Op-Ed rant, Trump and His Corrupt Old Party Paul Krugman goes on his typical party rant.

He asks "How much corruption, how much collusion with foreign powers and betrayal of the national interest will that party’s elected representatives stand for?"

Moment of Temporary Sanity

For a second, I thought Krugman had a moment of "temporary sanity".

Krugman accurately stated "The inquiry hasn’t found a smoking gun;"

Alas, that snip is out of context.

Here is Krugman's complete thought: "The inquiry hasn’t found a smoking gun; it has found what amounts to a smoking battery of artillery. Yet almost no partisan Republicans have turned on Trump and his high-crimes-and-misdemeanors collaborators."

Convictable Proof

I ask where's the convictable proof?

I can easily see why people believe Trump is guilty. But Democrats have made a mockery of the process.

Their witnesses look like fools under Republican questioning. I wrote about it the other day in Democrat Impeachment Star Witnesses Useful as Dust.

And we have seen more of these exchanges all end the same way.

The fact remains that believing someone is guilty, and actually having convictable evidence are two different things.

So far, this is just the typical nonsense that one would expect from Krugman.

It's hardly worth the time to comment. A reply to his own post is what caught my attention.

If the Republic Survives

Can the US Survive Trump?

Krugman actually questions whether or not the republic can survive Trump.

Then he proposes that "if" the US survives, Schiff will be viewed as "one of our great political heros".

Mercy!

Yet, I have a friend who believes a similar thing, that Trump will not stand down if he loses the next election and the US will morph into some sort of dictatorship.

Krugman's comments will no doubt play on such fears.

But the idea is absurd. Trump would not do that, and he would not get away with it if he tried.

Why Read Krugman?

People ask why I read Krugman. Actually, on occasion, Krugman is right about something.

For example, Krugman wrote a post mocking hyperinflationists. I took his side to the great consternation of "inflationistas" who thought I too was wrong.

Well here we are with interest rates at near record lows.

Also, you learn more from those you disagree with than those who agree.

Finally, you get pure nonsense like this that is worthy of serious rebuttal.

Good Presidents and Bad Presidents

The US has had good presidents and bad presidents.We survived them all.

We survived a civil war and unconstitutional theft of gold and burning of crops by president Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Roosevelt belonged in prison. Instead, he is revered.

The US survived LBJ and his asinine war in Vietnam. It survived George Bush and his asinine war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

One Toke Over the Line

It is beyond idiotic to propose the US may not survive Trump.

I offer this musical tribute.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (64)
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JonSellers
JonSellers

Perfect musical tribute. I haven't been following the hearings too much as I'm sure it is about as valid as Gingrich's impeachment of Clinton. Lots of sound and fury!

However, there's a thing called "hearsay" and another thing called "speculation" and it seems that's all we're seeing here. It will get interesting to see if the dems can actually point to a law that they believe the President has broken. That's when it will get interesting.

The more hysterical the Krugman's of the world get is a sign of the lack of real evidence.

I say all this and I really despise Trump. But the one thing I despise even more is the farcical political use of constitutional procedure.

shamrock
shamrock

Trump has admitted asking a foreign power to collaborate with guiliani and barr to dig up dirt on the bidens. This literally occured as a 2 year investigation into him collaborating with the Russians was winding up. What more proof is needed?

WildBull
WildBull

As the President is in charge of foreign affairs, exactly what law has he broken?

WildBull
WildBull

Is it less likely that the Bidens were involved in illegal affairs in the Ukraine than Trump was working with the Russians? If not, then investigate the Bidens until they bleed. Probe every orifice. The Democrats set the bar. Trump ought to ram it home.

Schaap60
Schaap60

"But the idea is absurd. Trump would not do that, and he would not get away with it if he tried."

Exactly! I know people who believe the same nonsense. Heck, it was obvious on election night in 2016 Trump didn't expect to win and would have stepped aside after some inane tweeting. He didn't even have a victory speech prepared. It raises a question though: how do you reason with someone so delusional they believe Trump will try to be president for life?

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab

The expression LMAO was invented for Krugman.

When everyone says that Ukraine interference in the DNC server debacle is a debunked conspiracy it is clear to me that it needs further investigation.

SpeedyGeezer
SpeedyGeezer

I feel like Krugman had more game twenty years ago. Am I wrong about that?

thimk
thimk

whoa ! Is Krugman expounding on a new branch of Econ? But PK's lively hood is highly dependent on supporting a certain ideology, so he doesn't want to rock the boat. Anyways take a gander on the investigative reporting of Glenn Beck.(the blaze) facts and docs provided for download.

Mish
Mish

Editor

Check out this "bombshell"

SMF
SMF

'Experts' have cited disasters coming to kill us for decades, centuries, and millennia. Logic dictates that as we age and survive these 'disasters', maybe we should stop listening to certain 'experts'.

Jojo
Jojo

Seriously Mish - stick to economics. You are in WAY over your head when you try to write about politics.

Or maybe you are hoping to get recruited by Fox News. That might explain this shambles of a column. Whew.

Jojo
Jojo

Read and learn, Trumpanzees!

The Case for Impeaching Trump Over Ukraine Is Already Complete By Ben Mathis-Lilley Nov 21, 2019 https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/trump-impeachment-ukraine-guide-evidence.html?via=rss

Jackula
Jackula

Adam Schiff is the worst sort of political party hack, right up there with Nunes.

Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear

The Republicans can turn this situation around if they nominate someone other than Trump for President.

Jojo
Jojo

Don't forget to set your DVR's for CNN at 9:00pm Sunday to watch this terrific sounding program!

Jake Tapper: Trump is trying to ‘gaslight the country’ CNN’s special on the pervasive effects of president’s lying represents a new benchmark in the media’s coverage of Trump. By MICHAEL CALDERONE 11/22/2019 11:10 AM EST

CNN’s Jake Tapper thinks fact-checking Donald Trump is no longer enough — and he’s created an hourlong special exploring the effects on foreign policy, business and the national culture of the president’s compulsive lying. .... https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/22/jake-tapper-trump-gaslight-country-072888

Jojo
Jojo

Ha ha ha Trumpamzee's. The fat lady has not yet sang. More impeachment articles against Trump are brewing.

Impeachment is about to get a Robert Mueller reprise Now that the Ukraine hearings are over, Democrats want to hold at least one Mueller-related impeachment hearing on Trump's possible obstruction and perjury. By DARREN SAMUELSOHN 11/22/2019

Right now, impeachment is all about Ukraine. But after Thanksgiving, prepare for a Robert Mueller reprise.

Now that House Democrats have wrapped up public hearings on President Donald Trump’s pressure campaign to get Ukraine to launch politically advantageous investigations, there are plans to hold at least one public impeachment hearing on Trump’s misdeeds as alleged in the special counsel’s report.

It’s a gathering that could fuel articles of impeachment beyond those tied to the Ukraine controversy. Democrats say they have new Mueller-related fodder after Roger Stone’s recent trial raised questions about whether Trump provided false statements to the special counsel’s team. And the hearing could even feature a star witness — former White House counsel Don McGahn. A judge is set to rule in the coming days on whether McGahn must comply with a House subpoena. .... https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/22/impeachment-robert-mueller-072698

Marketwatchfuture
Marketwatchfuture

What happened to the buck stops here? If you are in charge and you set in motion a criminal act through your employees even if you do it in code you are guilty of the act. Trump must be thinking he is dealing with 5 year olds if he thinks he can convince the people that he is not guilty because of his claim that he did not actually say in one complete sentence that is he is ordering the bribe. The buck stops with him. In fact all of his cabinet that participated in the scheme are guilty. The circumstantial evidence is sufficient to convict Trump, and his cabinet, and that does not even include the actual evidence of the "phone call" where he is caught advancing the bribe. It is a shame that his cabinet members that participated in the bribe are now not going to be able to further their political careers because they have been supporting this meglomaniac's nightmare. Same should be said for the Senators and House members that support his depraved and intellectually insulting defense. I don't know whats worse, what he did, or the line of bs these congressional supporters have been plugging. Not only is it insulting and likely bad for the country, the promoters of such bs and those of you that repeat it should be ashamed.

JanNL
JanNL

Amazing TDS here. Interesting.

Freebees2me
Freebees2me

Apparently, unless you’re Donald J. Trump, your prior bragged about (and video taped!) interference in another country’s criminal investigation is off-limits once you run for President.

Absolutely no one is looking for “dirt” on Biden. They are looking at a specific situation that this idiot bragged about on videotape. Biden clearly brags about threatening a foreign country with withholding aid unless they fired a prosecutor investigating a company where his son was a Board member. “And son-of-a-bit*h, they did...”

The only politician who had “dirt” (fake dirt) dug up on him was Donald Trump by theses same Democrats.

The democratic hypocrisy is nauseating....Fake Russian Dossier, fraudulent FISA warrants, Numerous unmasked telephone calls, threatening foreign officials...and you’re complaining about Trump and Barr trying to get to the bottom of it...

dansilverman
dansilverman

I agree with everything you said, but Paul Kugman and the people that are proppjng him up are dangerous. They are the powerful, unelected, undemocratic and dictatorial forces that are destroying this country. Kugman is just a mouth piece, I'm not even sure he believes everything he writes.

Binkyss333$
Binkyss333$

Leave office if he loses? Given his penchant for autocracy and proposing unconstitutional measures, he will scream fraud, illegal voting from bused-in illegal immigrants, all the usual tropes — and refuse to leave office until the fraud is “investigated” by a commission of his choosing. Even, if after the election, Trump says he will accede to the will of the majority, he will be lying. He has already proven he is incapable of thinking about anything but himself. He has told more than 12,000 documented lies in the course of his presidency. How naïve to believe otherwise now. He will retreat to his Twitterverse and go absolutely bonkers engaging in massive conspiracy nonsense, excoriating the “lamestream media” and hobnobbing with his toadies at Fox News, casting blame everywhere but himself. Trump will also have to contend with the imminent prospect of living in an orange jump suit for the rest of his life along with his children and supporters. Just before January 20, 2021, he will issue a call to arms to his supporters to descend on Washington to protect him from being physically ousted from the White House. Imagine a rag-tag army of his white supremacist base converging on Washington, armed with assault weapons (think Proud Boys in Oregon on steroids) glutting the streets and parks around 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. He will invite them to surround the White House and camp out on the Ellipse, the National Mall and Lafayette Park. He will invite the leaders of his most ardent support groups into Blair House. It would ultimately cause a horrific massacre, making Tiananmen Square look like a picnic. Just what Trump would want – a very public spectacle of his “base” being carted off to jail. Does anyone seriously think Trump will go “quietly?”

JMOD46
JMOD46

If we could arrange a sequence to change only one variable in this impeachment inquiry, one would only need substitute the word "Obama" for "Trump" in these examples to see if Democrats still feel the "proof" of high crimes and misdemeanors actually exists.

Doug Meyers
Doug Meyers

Mr. Shedlock you are correct about the New York Times "Expert on all things Economic" Paul Krugman's wishful thinking concerning Pres. Trump. The NYT has made fools of themselves so many times with their Hyper-Partisan-Negative reporting on anything Trump-World that a good rule-of-thumb is to take whatever they're asserting go in the opposite direction and you will be closer to the Truth.

Christopher-deRoetth
Christopher-deRoetth

omg...spot on. I don't support DJT...but Krugman is beyond the pale... The 1930s are calling, and they want their policy back. Good luck with that mr. Ivory tower.