Trump Accuses Turkey of War Crimes, What About the Nukes?

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Trump accused Turkey of creating a humanitarian Crisis. Europe fears a flood of refuges. US nukes held hostage.

Tensions in Turkey keep rising. In response to US abandonment of Kurdish rebels in Northern Syria, the Kurds entered a pact with Syria to stave of a bloodbath at the hands of Turkey.

The invasion by Turkey went further into Syria than Turkey claimed it would, so Trump Responded with Steel Tariffs and threats of shutting of US dollar transactions for Turkey.

“Turkey’s military offensive is endangering civilians, and threatening peace, security, and stability in the region,” Mr. Trump said. “I have been perfectly clear with President [Recep Tayyip] Erdogan: Turkey’s action is precipitating a humanitarian crisis and setting conditions for possible war crimes.”

The administration’s sanctions plans are unfolding as pressure gathers on Capitol Hill for sterner action to punish Turkey. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she had spoken with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) about putting together a bipartisan, bicameral sanctions package that is stronger than what the White House is considering.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said earlier in the day that his office was presenting Mr. Trump with retaliatory options against Turkey. “It is a complicated situation,” Mr. Mnuchin said, when asked if Turkey has moved further into Syria than initially conveyed to U.S. forces.

“On the one hand we have Turkey, who is a full member of NATO and an ally with us, fighting the Kurds who have helped us on ISIS,” he said, referring to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and Islamic State. “And obviously we are very concerned about the humanitarian issues and we’re monitoring it very carefully.”

Another point of tension was Ankara’s purchase of Russia’s S-400 missile-defense system. Weapons experts say that system could compromise U.S. and NATO security by potentially giving Russia access to sensitive military information. Mr. Trump has in the past told his advisers he wanted to avoid punishing Turkey over the Russian missile-defense system.

US Nukes Held Hostage

The New York Times comments Trump Followed His Gut on Syria. Calamity Came Fast.

One day he was inviting Mr. Erdogan to visit the White House; the next he was threatening to “totally destroy and obliterate” Turkey’s economy if it crossed a line that he never defined.

Rarely has a presidential decision resulted so immediately in what his own party leaders have described as disastrous consequences for American allies and interests. How this decision happened — springing from an “off-script moment” with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, in the generous description of a senior American diplomat — probably will be debated for years by historians, Middle East experts and conspiracy theorists.

But this much already is clear: Mr. Trump ignored months of warnings from his advisers about what calamities likely would ensue if he followed his instincts to pull back from Syria and abandon America’s longtime allies, the Kurds. He had no Plan B, other than to leave. The only surprise is how swiftly it all collapsed around the president and his depleted, inexperienced foreign policy team.

Over the weekend, State and Energy Department officials were quietly reviewing plans for evacuating roughly 50 tactical nuclear weapons that the United States had long stored, under American control, at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, about 250 miles from the Syrian border, according to two American officials.

Perpetual Engagement

With that Op-Ed, the NY times writer supports continual US troops forever, where they don't belong.

Erdogan Threatens to Release Millions of Migrants Into Europe

"Hey European Union. If you attempt to label our operations as an invasion, then it's simple: We will open out borders and send 3.6 million refugees your way," said Erdogan.

Operation Spring Peace

Erdogan calls this "Operation Spring Peace"

Indeed. What else could it possibly be?

Yes, Take the Missiles Out

Take the damn missiles out.

They never should have been in Turkey in the first place.

Some Allies

Some allies we have.

This is all part of the asinine sponsorship of the failed policy "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

The NYT writer does have one thing right, albeit without saying so.

Trump is a Hypocrite

Trump pisses and moans, correctly so, that Syria is 7,000 miles away.

The fact of the matter is Saudi Arabia is even further. Yet check out these headlines.

Hell, not even Saudi Arabia knows where Trump stands.

I will tell you: Nowhere.

Mish vs Trump

  1. I favor pulling troops from Syria. Trump only did so when Erdogan told Trump he was going in. Trump backed down and labeled it a victory.
  2. I support pulling out of Afghanistan. So does Trump, in theory. But we are still there.
  3. Trump correctly complains Germany is not pulling it's NATO weight and threatens to pull out. Trump is correct. Germany is not pulling its weight.
  4. But what does Trump do about Germany? A: Nothing.
  5. I would pull troops out of Germany.

Political Insanity

Trump has gone from inviting his buddy Erdogan to the White House to threatening to “totally destroy and obliterate” Turkey’s economy, in short order.

Feel free to disagree. But if you support Trump's logic then you look as hypocritical as he does.

Playground Bully

Trump is nothing but a playground bully and a monstrous hypocrite at that.

Trade talks with China prove just that.

Turkey is icing on the cake. ​

Bring the Troops Home

Bring the troops home, all of them: From Syria, Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, everywhere!

The US cannot afford to be the world's policeman, nor should it try even if we could.

Out foreign policy has been nothing but disaster after disaster.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (45)
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numike
numike

Bring them home. To do what? I do not know what the number of personal that are stationed across the Earth but the troops along with the support staff(s) and the industries that supply these operations; my bet is the economics of this "police force" is large. So again what do we do with all these personal and their affiliated industries when they come home?

lol
lol

War crimes? Grenada,Panama,Iraq,Iran,Afghanistan,Libya,Yemen,Somalia,Syria,Balkans,drone strikes,millions slaughtered by the MIC,and this buffoon talkin war crimes....Barak is that you?

wootendw
wootendw

The Syrian army will replace the Turks once US troops are out of the way. The Kurds are aligning themselves with Assad, now.

US foreign policy can no longer do good for anyone.

Webej
Webej

No more nukes in Turkey? The US has had nukes in Turkey ever since it stationed those Jupiter missiles on the border with the Soviet Union in 1961 (The Cuban missile crisis -- Khruschev wanted to return the favor).This would be overturning more than a half century of national security policy. Whole Cuban missile crisis for nothing...

Webej
Webej

The EU will preempt the threat of unleashing a flood of refugees -- by sending 5 million Turks packing back to Turkey.

Herkie
Herkie

Elect a clown expect a circus.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Lol. Mish Trump foreign policy is worse than what we had under previous administrations. Democracy and freedom do matter. Giving these autocrats what they want will lead to more disasters. Remember no two countries that traded with one another never went on to fight wars with each other. Russia will soon do what the US should have done. They will annex more territory and countries in their march towards reestablishing themselves as a superpower. Trump was a perfect president Putin's goals. Leaders like Putin, Erdogan and Assad have no trouble killing their own civilians as a matter of policy if they try to stand up for their own rights. This will end up worse than before. We are doomed to get another Hitler at some point who thinks he can kill people and invade countries for some grand delusion. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

FWIW I now predict the US will be dragged into another war it doesnt want by January of 2020. Trump will also be impeached by the spring of 2020 and convicted by the senate. A full scale recession will ensue by next summer. The decade of chaos will begin soon.

1KoolKat
1KoolKat

The US cannot bring the troops home, it crossed the point of no return long ago.

  1. Treaties - Article VI of the Constitution, treaties are the supreme law of the land (super law).
  2. Extended Deterrence - (AKA the nuclear umbrella) The nuclear protection guarantee provided to over 20 allied nations.

The nation should have listened to Washington, Avoid foreign entanglements.

St. Funogas
St. Funogas

"Peace and prosperity with all nations, entangling alliances with none." -- Thomas Jefferson. It worked for Switzerland, it could have worked for the US as well.

IMO it's way past time for the US to bring the troops home and hand the reins of empire over to the next in line for economic reasons as well as all the ones Mish outlined, as well as Jefferson's. Eventually, circumstances will force us to give up the empire anyway so why not now, peacefully, and under controlled circumstances? But I just can't picture anyone in DC or the Pentagon doing that. All I can picture is a bunch of nutjobs throwing a temper tantrum saying, "If we can be the boss of the playground, then nobody can," and pushing The Button, all that mutually assured destruction crap notwithstanding. The development of hypersonic weapons increase the probability that it will happen in my lifetime. Ground wars to change empires? Not this time around.

conscript
conscript

Nukes? Warheads? They make great weights without the codes.

Boot6761
Boot6761

How come no ones talking about China and their Muslim "re-education" camps? Total humanitarian crisis that is completely covered up by all of the media...as crazy as it may sound our family has begin reducing any and all purchases of items made in China...not easy but it can be done. The world is a crazy place and the entire US is controlled by the media...the narrative is force fed to us...worst of all almost all Americans have very short term memories...until it comes time to pay our bills...Health insurance and the insanely high premiums we now pay...but everyone here wants to talk about the Global peace keeping without costs...

RonJ
RonJ

"The only surprise is how swiftly it all collapsed around the president and his depleted, inexperienced foreign policy team."

Well now. The experienced foreign policy teams of previous presidents have made an absolute mess out of the Middle East.

By depleted, i'm guessing that the NYT writer is a fan of Bolton.

Sechel
Sechel

Fact is Trump green lighted the Turkish actions against the Kurds. Trump doesn't play 3-d chess and didn't expect Republican blow back(he never does).

The administration response since then has been shambolic with Mnuchin saying he's preparing sanctions if Turkey crosses an undefined red line Trump has yet to communicate. It's a race now who can appear tougher, Congress and the Senate or Trump.

Trump was caught flat footed militarily. His actions put u.s. troops in the cross-hairs of Turkish action so they are not being airlifted out into Iraq. Because Trump's actions were visceral and unplanned the u.s. stock pile of nuclear missiles in Turkey wasn't planned for. They are right now a potential hostage to Turkey and if U.S. removes them it effectively ends any U.S. Turkish relationship. It's a real quagmire put in play by Donald Trump.

Runner Dan
Runner Dan

"...and threats of shutting of US dollar transactions for Turkey."

This wouldn't be such a threat if Turkey had a gold backed currency now would it?

The allure of stealing from the nation's productive class via fiat currency is too strong for the political/banking class the world over.

Greggg
Greggg

The US supposedly moved 20 nukes out of Turkey into Romania after the attempted Erdogan coup in 2016. Read a few articles back then claiming that none remained. Who should we believe?

crazyworld
crazyworld

As an European completely discouraged by the various plagues Middle-East countries state control (whichever it was democracy or not) destruction by US-EU interventions has imposed to our quality of life, I want to write:

THANK YOU, THANK YOU; THANK YOU , TRUMP at least you did it! VERY COURAGEOUS ACTION !

I expect now a faster reunification of SYRIA under a (possibly with a constitutional project) State Authority. The Kurds there were in peace with Assad (not in Irak and Turkey) before the Civil war caused by external interventions and financing started.

I hope this could help all the bad illegals causing fear and deaths in our countries to be sent back by our WEAK European authorities before we get civil unrests and possibly war some places over-here. .