Trump Again Threatens to Leave NATO (That's a Good Thing)

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President Trump again threatens to leave NATO. Some are shocked. I say: please do.

The New York Times reports Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.

Now, the president’s repeatedly stated desire to withdraw from NATO is raising new worries among national security officials amid growing concern about Mr. Trump’s efforts to keep his meetings with Mr. Putin secret from even his own aides, and an F.B.I. investigation into the administration’s Russia ties.

Please Exit NATO

In case you have not noticed, I do not give a damn about political parties or what they stand for.

Rather, I stand for policies.

About Policies

I agree with Trump we need to leave Syria and Afghanistan. And I agree that NATO is a useless drain on US finances.

I disagree with Trump on the wall because it attacks a symptom not the real issue.

Every time I disagree with Trump I get accused of being a "Hillary lover".

The fact is, I voted for Trump. And against Hillary, I would do so again. Hillary would certainly not threaten to exit NATO. Nor would she exit Syria or Afghanistan. I am very anti-war.

Trump makes me nauseous over Iran and many other things, but Hillary makes me nauseous over almost everything.

Politics

I am damn tired of partisan politics.

On the current course, we are headed for an extremely undesirable showdown between socialist nut cases and extreme right-wing warmongers. The nomination process is clearly geared towards extremism.

The vast majority of the US wanted neither Trump nor Hillary, but someone had to win.

The next election rates to be even worse.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

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MorrisWR
MorrisWR

“On the current course, we are headed for an extremely undesirable showdown between socialist nut cases and extreme right-wing warmongers.”

One of the best observations I have seen in quite a while. Moderate people are between two insane factions who are destroying America.

2banana
2banana

"Right-wing" = those that believe in smaller, limited government with less taxes that actually abides by the US Constitution as written.

So exactly who are you talking about with war mongering that have any actual power? McCain is dead was was for bigger government. Trump is trying to get out of the obama wars and avoid a conflict with Russia (for which he is savaged). Bolton looked at options but did nothing.

Chris P
Chris P

As long as there is a $800 Billion military budget we will be in wars around the world of our own making. The consumables must be used so they can make new ones. If you stand in the way of any of that you will be removed.

Tengen
Tengen

The logical time to disband NATO was when the Cold War ended nearly 30 years ago. Of course, that didn't happen, and the only explanation is that the MIC still finds it useful. The "drain on US finances" Mish cites here is a feature, not a bug.

The MIC still wields massive power, both overall and specifically within the Trump admin. In other words, we're not leaving NATO anytime soon.

Sechel
Sechel

NATO has been a stabilizing force. I don't agree that withdrawing would be positive. The end result would be a loss of U.S. influence in the region. And military influence and economic influence are closely related.

The idea that Europe takes and the U.S. pays is nonsense. Somehow everyone forgets that NATO has only invoked Article 5 once in its history—in response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Our European allies have joined with the U.S. to support us multiple times

conscript
conscript

We need to leave NATO yesterday! With a combined economy ~ 5X that of Russia, Europe needs to find a spine and find their own way in the world. "Failure to launch" is not an option. We waste too much of our treasure there.

Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi

Ah yes, Lord Haw Haw brought back from the 1940's. You didn't say how you feel about Trump selling us out to Russia Mish, but the fact that you want to abandon our allies in Europe says it all anyway.

KidHorn
KidHorn

The spread of communism into Europe is no longer a threat. Nor is there any threat of Russia attacking western Europe. NATO is obsolete.

thimk
thimk

as Rand Paul states it's either welfare or warfare. But trump approved a massive military budget / government budget . If he really wanted to "drain the swamp" he would de fund departments/agencies.

Ted R
Ted R

Time to dump NATO already. Way overdue.

Ted R
Ted R

I agree.

abend237-04
abend237-04

Agreed. Beware the articulate incompetents on the fringes, no matter what they're selling at the moment. I think it's the computer and the web that have brought us to this sorry state. Wingnuts of every stripe used to be confined to soapboxes in public commons. Now, they have word processors with spell checkers and a network over which to screech at the unassuming.

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

Tucker Carlson did a great job making the case for withdrawing from NATO on Tuesday night's show. The original reason for it's creation no longer exists, unless the warmongers are able to warm up the US/Russia cold war again. Which leads to the BS about The Donald needing to be impeached because he prefers friendly relations with Russia. NYT is DEPLORABLE.

Archer1
Archer1

Dear Mish, What is your solution to illegal immigration? Let the caravans come in? Abolish ICE? Fence not wall? What exactly is the problem if stopping illegal immigration is just attacking the symptom? Maybe you have addressed this somewhere and I have missed it. Thanks.

WildBull
WildBull

Voters run to the extremes when the middle becomes a corrupt cesspool. They are looking for anything that isn't stinking and rotten. It is happening in the US and all across the West. Both US parties are too much influenced by their cohorts of corporate donors, most of which don't give a damn about the United States of the people that live there. It is becoming very apparent. They are interested in control and ownership of an ever larger fraction of worldwide assets. NWO. One world government, one world market.

When the center is rotten, the extremes are the only alternative.

It was supposed to be Hillary vs. Jeb. Would there have been much difference in their policies?

Zardoz
Zardoz

Trump isn’t leaving anything but the whitehouse. Not NATO, not Syria.

Carl_R
Carl_R

"I disagree with Trump on the wall because it attacks a symptom not the real issue. "

I agree. A wall makes about as much sense as putting doors on your house with locks. You don't need those. The real issue is that you have stuff inside that people might want. You can easily keep people out by just eliminating all that stuff.