Trump Locked and Loaded (and Waiting for Saudi Arabia to Tell Us What to Do)

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President trump is waiting for Saudi Arabia to tell us under what terms we should proceed.

President trump awaits orders from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia Gets to Set the Terms

"Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!"

US Claim

Who Did It?

Support for War

J Street for Peace

Though the administration has pointed the finger at Iran, as of right now many details of the attack remain unclear. But here’s what we know for certain:

1: Saudi Arabia should not determine “under what terms” the United States enters into armed conflict.

2: President Trump lacks the authority to launch a military conflict without congressional approval.

It’s evident from this tweet that the president believes otherwise -- and, if left unrestrained, he could use this attack on Saudi Arabia’s oil facilities to drag us into a disastrous war with Iran.

That’s why it’s essential that Congress finally pass the Khanna-Gaetz amendment, which denies Trump funding for a war with Iran without congressional approval.

The amendment has the support of the majority of the House and Senate. Its fate is in the hands of a small group of legislators putting together the final version of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

J Street Flyer

The above paragraphs are from a J Street email flyer to a friend of mine.

J Street is a nonprofit liberal advocacy group based in the United States whose stated aim is to promote American leadership to end the Arab–Israeli and Israeli–Palestinian conflicts peacefully and diplomatically.

My friend comments "Jewish opinion is not monolithic and Netanyahu and his government are not Israel."

If there is proof or even strong evidence that Iran did this, then show it.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (71)
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koupe
koupe

I think POTUS is working on confirmation. Your statements make no sense.

Mish
Mish

Editor

"I think POTUS is working on confirmation. Your statements make no sense."

You reply makes no sense.

  1. We ought to have confirmation before we go pointing fingers.
  2. Under no circumstances should Saudi set the terms or conditions but that is precisely what he said.
Matt3
Matt3

This is the least war happy President we have had in 20 years. Pathetic article

astroboy
astroboy

The cartoon is a bit rich. Vietnam, the most pointless war in American history, was an invention of the Democratic party.

Mish
Mish

Editor

"The cartoon is a bit rich. Vietnam, the most pointless war in American history, was an invention of the Democratic party."

I added context for the image. The actual Tweet says both parties support war - and they do.

True Trump has not started any wars yet, and I have mentioned that before.

People focusing on nit-picking instead of the main point.

  1. It is absurd to hand over policy to Saudi Arabia
  2. I am damn tired of rush to judgment

OK so attack the cartoon : good grief.

Jojo
Jojo

Trump will do ANYTHING to get reelected, including using nukes.

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett

"and under what terms we would proceed!"

...

Naturally.

I learned all I need to know from Trump (thoughts on Saudi Arabia) following Khashoggi's murder. Within a day or 2 of murder Trump voiced concerns on US pending $100+ Billion arms deal with Kingdom. Obviously, DJT did nothing - nor will do anything - that will impact arms deal(s).

Latkes
Latkes

2: President Trump lacks the authority to launch a military conflict without congressional approval.

As if that mattered.

Webej
Webej

Ha Ha. Outsource intelligence to Saudi ... Save some money?

Let the guys who told us Jamal Kashnoggi left the Istanbul embassy decide what the truth is, and if they want the designated culprint to be Iran.

Tengen
Tengen

It's rich that the case for war is being spearheaded by Mike "we lied, we cheated, we stole" Pompeo. I'm also sure the Saudis will give us wise guidance, as any regime with a policy to deny their neighbors food and potable water is an obviously upstanding one.

Bolton's recent departure isn't the only coincidence here, with the Israeli Knesset elections tomorrow. Will the specter of the long-awaited war with Iran be enough to boost the Likud? They didn't have enough seats to form a coalition in April, maybe they will now.

Zardoz
Zardoz

America no longer belongs to Americans. The Art of the Deal.

Webej
Webej

What's the big deal with a couple of drones anyways? The USA has been using thousands of drones for over 10 years in about 37 countries, generally without their permission. Killing about 40 innocents (including hundreds of children) for every CIA designated bad guy murder -- the very definition of terror. In Pakistan mothers scare their kids into compliance by evoking drowns instead of ogres.

As I recall, one of the earlier successful extra-judicial murder-by-drone was Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki, 16 years old, while eating dinner at an outdoor restaurant in Yemen. Abdul was collateral damage, not a target. Oops.

Yemen. Yikes. Could this be blow-back??

Greggg
Greggg

Confirmation could come from the "Defense" Department in the form of stock photos from another incident that happened months ago. We haven't been able to trust any administration on these issues for years now, why would we trust them now?

Country Bob
Country Bob

Come on Mish... Do some fact checking

Trump isn't waiting for the Saudis to tell him what to do, Trump very clearly stated he did NOT promise to defend Saudi Arabia, and he is waiting for the Saudis to provide evidence the Saudis claim to have, and to propose a response -- which Trump may or may not accept.

In the meantime, the US is trying to independently verify who launched the attack, who sponsored the attack (who provided weapons, etc), and what sort of response is even plausible. He is gathering the facts instead of going off half-cocked like some media pundit.

I don't care about the Tweets. Trump doesn't take his tweets nearly as serious as the media does, and its really obvious Trump enjoys screwing with the media's heads.

Pompeo isn't the President, nor are any of the screwballs in Congress from either party. Trump is President, and when he isn't tweeting you into an insane rage, he is wisely double and triple checking facts as best he can -- as well as evaluating whether an attack would actually help the US' situation. Ergo he called off the earlier ratings bonanza attack on Iran that Bolton wanted.

When Obama wasn't perpetuating wars, starting new wars, setting racial relations back decades, the little bastard was making a bad healthcare system even worse. And as he was leaving, Obama authorized Brennan and Comey to stage a coup against the rightfully elected president. Trump owes no allegiance to Washington DC and its warmongers, they tried to screw him and he knows it.

The cartoon is just stupid. JFK and LBJ started Vietnam, Nixon of all people ended it. Why would you include the part poking fun at the GOP but clip the part you claim blames the Democrats who started that war???

I get it Mish, you are anti-war. Good for you. A lot of people agree with you on that part (including Trump it seems). Between the cartoon half-truth and then the misquote, this partisanship is undermining your credibility

abend237-04
abend237-04

It's not an accident that we never successfully think ourselves through these critical pre-war episodes: The decision room is invariably filled with pissed off alpha males itching to send somebody else's kid to war.

Trump could serve us best just now by calling an emergency meeting...in Brussels and invite the ECU to present their best shot proposal to preserve THEIR energy lifeline from the Middle East, observing as how we seem to be energy independent. If he deems it a good pitch, he should bring it back to congress to see if it sells.

He should then commission a Manhattan Project to complete and scale up Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors and get the world off petroleum owned by medieval camel drivers, goat herders and religious fanatics.

Country Bob
Country Bob

Three things are for sure... if the nobel peace prize -sshole were still in the white house

  1. we would already be at war with Syria,
  2. Iran would have a second pallet load of cash
  3. the Clinton Foundation would already have received its first of many bribe payments
numike
numike

Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not of truth Friedrich Nietzsche

lol
lol

Like the last time he was "locked n loaded: lol,calls up Tehran,asks them pretty please with a cherry on top if he could lob a few tomahawks in the middle of the desert so he could like a tough guy,Iranian foreign minister laughed at his pussy ass and hung up.....that "locked n loaded"?

Brother
Brother

The Houthi claimed the drone attack apparently everyone forgot about the Islamic religious political armed movement that chants death to America, Jews and Saudi's. Most of the world wants them gone them they are in Yemen. A 5% reduction in oil should not cause the price needle to move. Don't blame trump.

Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear

Or the incident was a ruse to boost the price of oil. With so much oil capacity and global manufacturing slowing, OPEC wanted the supply/demand curve to move in their favor. The US also benefits because it produces a lot of oil. A "tax" without Congress' approval.

Bam_Man
Bam_Man

This is all so unimaginably and totally corrupt and so utterly doomed to complete, absolute failure that I just wish it would do so as quickly as possible. Please.

Carlos_
Carlos_

For those who don't want wars ) or at least make them short: Bring back the draft with no deferment. Whe congressman/senators/CEOs etc see their kids go to the front and being killed they will think about wars more carefully. Put their skin in the game..

Country Bob
Country Bob

War is just an extension of politics. Big government --> big politics --> lots of wars.

Mish supports left wing nut job comments, while banning anything to the right of Chicago (which is everything except San Francisco). He clips democrats out of anti-vietnam cartoons, and then acts (poorly) like he didn't see that coming.

Mish sure likes stirring up the pot, but doesn't like the divisions that result from what he does.

Time to retire

truthseeker
truthseeker

I don’t think anybody else has mentioned this yet that in today’s WSJ the lead editorial said that Iran was testing Trump and that letting Bolton go may have been a big mistake. I think most all of us would agree that if Iran is responsible, surely they would not have done this without informing Russia first. Higher oil prices help Russia so I’m trying to figure out why Russia has remained silent so far.This could really get out of hand in a hurry, so I hope cooler heads will prevail!

Quatloo
Quatloo

This is just an attempt by Trump to manufacture leverage against Iran where there is none, in order to get them to come to the table and make a deal with Trump. His goal is to strike the same deal Obama did with a couple of minor differences, and then claim a “tremendous victory, the best deal in the history of the world”.

Country Bob
Country Bob

Your Brain on Public Schools - Dumb people answer questions

RonJ
RonJ

"Saudi Arabia Gets to Set the Terms"

It was Saudi Arabia that was attacked and it is Saudi Arabia that would bear the brunt of any response to the attack, that could go beyond the point of triggering a major war in the gulf.

BigGringo
BigGringo

And, another question that no one seems to be asking,. If the drones and/or missiles were launched from Iran or Iraq, then they had to fly over the Persian/Arabian Gulf, which is full of US Navy vessels from the fifth fleet based in Bahrain. If that is the case, then surely we (The US) would have seen it on radar and there would be no doubt about where they came from. Beyond that, if they came from there, why on earth did we not shoot them down? Did we not see them? If that is the case, that sure is scary, as they could have been aimed at our ships. And, if we did see them, why weren't we concerned enough to shoot them down? Were we not capable? Just things to think about....