Trump Repeats Threat to Commit War Crimes

Mish

Today Trump repeated threats made yesterday to target Iranian culturatural sites if provoked.

Saturday Threat

Repeated Today

To reporters aboard Air Force One.

"They're allowed to kill our people, they're allowed to torture and maim our people, they're allowed to use roadside bombs and blow up our people, and we're not allowed to touch their cultural sites? It doesn't work that way," Trump said, according to a pool report.

With that, Trump lost the vote of many if not most anti-war persons who voted for Trump believing he would be better than Hillary.

War Crimes Threats But No Republican Outrage

Please note Trump's Threatened Attack on Iranian Cultural Sites Could be a War Crime if Carried Out.

An attack on a cultural site would violate several international treaties and would likely be considered a war crime.

In 2017, for example, a United Nations Security Council resolution "condemns the unlawful destruction of cultural heritage, including the destruction of religious sites and artifacts." That resolution came as a response to the Islamic State's destruction of a number of major historic and cultural sites in Syria and Iraq in 2014 and 2015.

The UN was clear then that actions targeting cultural locations constituted a war crime.

"The deliberate destruction of our common cultural heritage constitutes a war crime and represents an attack on humanity as a whole," said the spokesman for then-UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon in 2015.

Threat is Immoral and Un-American

Nicholas Burns is former undersecretary of state for political affairs and ambassador to NATO. Burns noted the Trump administration supported the 2017 UN resolution condemning destruction of cultural sites.

Two Decades of No Lessons Learned

Reason says a Decade of No Lessons Learned in U.S. Overseas Intervention.

Unfortunately, it's two decades. And here are some interesting observations.

As this decade began, U.S. armed forces were in year nine of their occupation of Afghanistan. A fresh surge of new U.S. military personnel was sent in by then-President Barack Obama that raised troop levels there to just below 100,000 by August 2010. The estimated expense of the occupation for 2010 was $94 billion, with a cumulative total through the end of that year of $338 billion.

Obama had promised he'd start to reverse his troop surge by July 2011, and it seemed just barely possible that the Nobel Peace Prize winner might actually end a U.S. war in the 2010s.

Although Donald Trump, before becoming president, had regularly said the war was a "big waste" and that we should "come home" immediately, we now have more troops in Afghanistan than there were when he took office. His first full year running U.S. foreign policy saw a record number of bombs dropped on Afghanistan.

Whether it was Obama or Trump in charge, the 2010s have been a decade of spending money we don't have and wasting lives pursuing goals we can't win. More business as usual for the U.S. foreign policy machine, across administrations and decades.

Republican Cowards

Did it Before and No One Cared

What the difference?

Trump brought it to everyone's attention with his childish, immoral, un-American, and illegal threats.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (55)
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Ted R
Ted R

You are right about this. I don't have a clue what Trump hopes to accomplish by stirring up trouble with Iran. Let is all hope the Iranians don't have sleeper cells embedded in the United States.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

It is more bluster. I dont truly believe he would strike a single site in Iran as that would be a preemptive strike. Trump loves Trump and will do whatever he can to keep Trump in the news. Trump is even above the US. The killing of the commander of the QUDS force was necessary because of multiple attacks on American facilities in Iraq by Iranian proxies organized by Solemi. There is evidence that has been shown to congress that he seeked the overthrow of the Iraqi government.

Jojo
Jojo

This is funny!

Ali Arouzi @aliarouzi At Solemani’s funeral procession in Mashad one of the organisers called on all Iranian to donate $1 each in order to gather an $80million bounty on President Trumps head. Jan 5, 2020 https://twitter.com/aliarouzi/status/1213789412653457408

Jojo
Jojo

Obama and Trump both expressed the desire to bring troops home and reduce our overseas military footprint. Then representatives of our military-industrial complex had a talk with each of them and they came to realize just how important continued wars and military activities were to the well-being of the MIC behemoth (and their own personal health).

If you truly want USA troops pulled out of overseas engagements along with the closings of active bases, then the only choice you have for president is Bernie Sanders.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

By the way terrorists are known for hiding in mosques to induce attacks on cultural sites.

crazyworld
crazyworld

TO BE LONG CRUDE OIL?

As I already pointed Iran is pushed to the point they could finally understand (and believe) that Trump, the US allies Israel, Saudi), the promoters (industrial-armement deep-state billionaires) are preparing a trap to destroy all their sophisticated military assets (long range precision guided missiles and some nuclear heads (untested)). In such case, one Iranian option could be to use preemptively these assets to create a severe crude oil shortage and ruin Saudi Arabia . The Russians would be more than happy in such case were oil could reach back way above 100 dollars a baril..

Sechel
Sechel

First off if Trump were to do this he'd make an enemy not just of the Iranian people but the entire Muslim world. You simply can't go after Cultural and Religious sights. We're seeing a huge escalation in Trump's erratic behavior. He also said he'd refuse to leave Iraq if asked and would levy sanctions against them. He may not like it but we were invited to Iraq or at least that's how our stay is justified. So now he wants all Iraq to be our enemy. Trump also gave Congress the big middle finger saying he would not give any notice to Congress but they could take his tweets as notice He may want to consult a lawyer.

Can't avoid the elephant in the room anymore. Trump's mental state. He's mentally unstable and gone off the deep end. Serious doubts as to whether the military would carry out orders to bomb holy and religious sights and for good reason It is a violation of international law. There's no other conclusion other than Trump has gone off the deep end.

Rvrider
Rvrider

“ Trump brought it to everyone's attention with his childish, immoral, un-American, and illegal threats.” Would you say, “Is it time to panic?” https://youtu.be/KojYatpLPSE

Rvrider
Rvrider

Everything will be fine — a Zerohedge article, says “ The German government said Friday that the United States had reason to strike and kill a the top commander of the Iranian Quds Force late Thursday in Baghdad after the Iranian regime provided support to its militias that targeted U.S. citizens and facilities in Iraq.”

JustASimpleMan
JustASimpleMan

The logic of Trump's actions is simple, choose from the following:

  1. Shale oil economics in the US are about to implode and trigger a bank lending crisis. What's the best way to drive up the price of oil?
  2. Extreme unpopularity for Trump plus the positive economic picture is all smoke & mirrors. Best way to get elected - start a war.
  3. The military industrial complex doesn't function without a bogeyman. First the Soviet Union, then Al Qaeda, then ISIS (who Iran and Russia have crushed), so now we'll have the faithful standby baddie - Iran
  4. Netanyahu says it's a great idea.
  5. Everyone's supposed to love me but those people with beards call me names.
  6. As Sechel indicates, Trump is definitely one sandwich short of a picnic and it's getting worse.

Thinking about it, you don't need to choose. All of the above apply but of course only #5 and #6 are part of Trump's thinking, the others are the influence of "advisors", lickspittles and deluded confidants.

Scooot
Scooot

These comments make the Trump administration sound increasingly desperate. Extremely anxious and out of control.

Rvrider
Rvrider

I’ve been allowing my sarcastic side to steer my comments, mostly because I’m in the dark as to whether or not Intelligence supports the military actions of the last few days. However, I’m very uncomfortable with the Trumpian bravado. It difficult to discern which audiences are the primary targets: Iran, broader middle east, EU, UK, Democrats, his die-hard supporters...?

tz3
tz3

No one will care - the Economy should stay strong through election day, and both Bush and Obama did worse and the electorate mostly ignored it and there were more cheering it on than opposing it. Will we ever see the CIA Torture site report?

The UN only attacks the US and Israel for things like "war crimes". The Shah of Iran was a brutal dictator, but he was our brutal dictator. Iran and Iraq when they were at war didn't play by the rules and they still don't. We can't win by playing by our rules when they aren't. It is like if you had a banned gun and were robbed, pulled it out and the robber complained "but that gun is illegal!"

Since no one is playing fair or by the rules people ENJOY when Trump speaks plainly rather than hiding it or gives some bumbling triangulation like Bush did when the Abu Gharib pics were exposed.

In fact it as this moment that switched me to the Trump column in a December debate. Cruz and Trump were asked about waterboarding. Cruz gave the triangulating non-answer: "well, it isn't REALLY torture, but Congress banned it so I'll obey the law, but I'd never endanger the American people...". Trump: "I'll do worse".

ksdude69
ksdude69

To me it seems like there's an underlying agenda that's pressing forward regardless of who's president. It's not like these idiots are all military genius and have a total understanding of the world. We all had a good guess of where all the middle east stuff was heading, Wesley Clark warned us all, and now the 3rd president into this mess we're right on cue. The US and company has had it in for Iran a long time. Like i'm sure Warren has a war room with all the sites she's going to blow up when she gets her turn to keep her hand on the big red button. Bunch of buffoons,

Freebees2me
Freebees2me

Cultural Site vs. American Soldier

I'm going with the soldier....

The Iranians have taken ships, shot down our drone to name a few of the many provocations the Iranians have engaged in and Trump did nothing. He showed incredible restraint - even called back a launched bombing. That's balls.

But when they killed an American and injured others and attacked our Embassy, he hit them hard.

They know he means it. My guess is that Trump has the Iranians pissing in their pants. The Iranians know they can hit us, but that's not the question.

The question is: will they be able to withstand the response?

lol
lol

Trump like Bush,Obama,Cheney,Wolfowitz and there merry band of mass murdering chicken hawks are simply following orders.Think Trump knows (or cares) anything about the middle east?He is simply another sellout to the MIC,nothin more nothing less,all bankrupt 3rd world banana republics have there own strongman,deal with it.

Tengen
Tengen

Trump rendered the 2020 election moot this week when he morphed into another McCain and decided to fulfill the infamous Wesley Clark prediction. There will be more war and the DNC will not nominate any candidate that is remotely antiwar (Bernie, Tulsi, or Yang). Either Trump or the blue team candidate will advocate for easy money from the Fed as well. Whether you go for red or blue, you're getting the same thing, even more than usual.

We were never planning to "end the wars" anyway, but it's incredible that people still think we're leaving after this belligerent escalation.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Some may not like it but the reason Trump was elected was to change policy both domestically and internationally. His unpredictability has taken Iran and others by surprise. This is not a conventional president. The next move will not be revealed by Trump but Iranian government should be very scared if someone as high up as Solemni can be taken out.

SleemoG
SleemoG

Cue TDS "diagnosticians" infected with TDS themselves in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ....

Run4thehills
Run4thehills

I've often wondered how the S 300's, 400's and possibly 500's would perform in a live war theatre...might have to break out the popcorn

crazyworld
crazyworld

TRUMP DEFENDING WAR CRIMES by mentioning cultural assets bombing? Shhhh, You must read technological armement assets bombing, as that is an average IQ "Business fox" trap to entertain Iran and others in order not to give clues to what is ready in the matter of Iranian modern arms destruction. I would bet that all targets are exclusively military assets. As soon as Iran take a strong hostile military action against US or their allies they will take their right to bomb all the army shelters

crazyworld
crazyworld

I assume the Iranian are not completely deaf. Trump just said unexpectedily that Iran will never have nuclear weapons ! Maybe their untested nuclear heads are hidden inside some Iranian cultural sites..? Just joking.

WildBull
WildBull

Iran and N Korea both got ballsier after the Impeachment. They may think he has lost power.

Jojo
Jojo

Trump is unpredictable. I wonder why Senate Republicans wouldn't take the opportunity to convict Trump in an impeachment trial and forcibly remove him from office, so they can reassert some control over American foreign and domestic policy? Pence would be a good Republican soldier and would be much easier to control!

Realist
Realist

Trump’s actions?

Illegal: absolutely

Immoral: of course

Un-American: not at all.

Mish, in the time that you and I have been alive, the US has installed a thousand military bases in more than 70 countries all over the world; has troops stationed in over 150 countries; spends more on it’s military than the next 8 highest spenders; has been involved in 39 wars/conflicts; has overthrown numerous governments; promotes terrorism and conflict; has been responsible for killing over 20 million people in 37 countries; and on and on….

This is the essence of what America is. A violent society which interferes in other countries and doesn’t care about how many people die as a result. Even within it’s own borders, Americans own almost 400 million guns, which are used to kill over 36 thousand Americans each year.

Violence and killing are very American.

ipso_facto
ipso_facto

Do the location stop being 'cultural sites' when they contain war materials (like soldiers, weapons, communications, etc.)?

crazyworld
crazyworld

TACTICAL NUCLEAR BOMB B61

Iran will never have nuclear bombs said Trump. I believe him. I read a very interesting report from a former US Marine intelligence officer Scott Ritter who claims that the US has no conventional bomb (I tough the opposite) able to reach the Iran underground nuclear facilities in FORDOW. The tactical nuclear bomb B 61 tested in 2017 will be necessary to impede nuclear bombs ownership by Iran ! The world would be scared to death in case of such a digging tool being used.

Brother
Brother

We are not seeing the chess game going on in Iraq not even the news not even Trump. Trump can't play chess he no patience the situation is overstated lets wait and see but can Trump?


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