Trump Still Proclaims "We Will Build the Wall"

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President Trump sticks with his hard-line stance, insisting the US will build a physical wall on the Mexico border.

We Will Build the Wall

Trump Refers to Himself in the Second Sense

Resistance is Futile

Please consider President Trump, Day After Shutdown Ends, Says ‘We Will Build the Wall’.

President Trump showed no sign Saturday he was prepared to give up his insistence on a border wall, as negotiators prepare to begin talks aimed at keeping the government open and resolving a bitter impasse over funding for the wall.

Under the deal struck Friday, House and Senate negotiators appointed by congressional leadership will use the next three weeks to see if they can settle the dispute over funding for a wall along the Mexican border.

Since taking office in 2017, Mr. Trump has seen his leverage on the issue dwindle. Republicans, who controlled Congress for much of his presidency, lost the House majority in the midterm elections in November. Polling shows that voters largely blamed him for a shutdown that left about 800,000 federal workers without pay. Neither party has shown much appetite for another shutdown if Mr. Trump doesn’t get the wall money he wants in the new round of negotiations.

Not a Concession

Not a concession?

Get real.

Pelosi Won

You can agree with Trump on the need for a wall. But that does not matter at this stage. What does matter is Pelsoi won the fight.

It would be politically stupid for her to cave in for no reason now. She won't. Nor does the Senate have any stomach for another government shutdown. It would be the third kick in the head.

In fact, a Congressional override of a budget approval is likely in order if Trump goes down that path. And that would be the end of it.

Emergency Declaration

If Trump sticks to his guns, he will make an emergency declaration. There will be a Congressional challenge, and it will get tied up in the courts.

My Constitutional lawyer friends in DC tell me they are confident Trump would lose. Bear in mind that "confident" and "sure thing" are two very different things.

My guess is Trump loses the battle. But then he can whine about the courts rather than Pelosi.

Two Years Wasted

Trump had two years to negotiate a good deal. He got nothing despite the fact that a year ago, Democrats agreed to fund the wall to the tuned of $20 billion dollars.

Yes, Trump turned down an offer of $20-$25 billion for wall funding in return for amnesty for long-standing dreamers. That was up for negotiation. Trump could have insisted as part of the deal the dreamers not have a criminal record. Democrats would likely have agreed to that condition.

Instead, Trump got nothing.

Totally Trump's Fault - TTF

This is totally Trump's fault. I propose TTF if you want to reduce that to three characters.

Trump is a pathetic negotiator. There is no other way of looking at this.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (42)
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FelixMish
FelixMish

This is a tiny, editorial detail, but did anyone notice this phrase, "shutdown that left about 800,000 federal workers without pay"? Wouldn't "shutdown that left about 800,000 federal workers idle" be more accurate?

Zardoz
Zardoz

Stick a fork in him. He's done.

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

Trump did not "refer to himself in the second sense", Mish. Read it again, it was a quote from Obama's border chief.

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

"Trump is a pathetic negotiator. There is no other way of looking at this." Mish I suggest you read a book or 2 about professional negotiating advice. Every one of them will tell you that there are some people who you just cannot negotiate with, and so you just have to figure out how to get around them. You really should not be writing about things you don't understand.

Stimpson
Stimpson

@stillCJ: I think Mish is right. Trump's style of negotiation is by cinflict and pushing as far as you canby show of force. That is the best tactic in one-issue negotiations, such as about selling / buying financial assets. It does not work in mutiple issue negotiations, where the best strategy is finding out what your opponent really values and find issues to give ground where they put high value and it doesn't cost you much. At the same time, you try to hide what you value yourself so you can get as many concessions on topics that you value. That way you maximise value for yourself, but quite likely for all involved. Doing the DACA - wall deal was such an example, but Trump simply is a one trick pony when it comes to negotiating: bluff and bluster, without an overarching strategy that takes into account all policy issues. Which I believe goes a lomg way explaining why he gets schooled even by clowns such as Juncker and so far has only achieved one thing: get deeper into debt to make the rich richer.

Sechel
Sechel

Mish, you miss a key point. I don't think he'll declare the emergency but assuming he does and the courts knock it down he has a new talking point for the base, liberal courts over-turning their will

Jack Barlow
Jack Barlow

Martin Armstrong..." But I would simply use the Terrorist powers of the Patriot Act to build the wall and claim that Terrorists can enter the country by flying into Central or South America to avoid the airports and the cross the border on foot even with a small tactical nuclear weapon that would fit in the base of a vending machine. That would be end of story".

thimk
thimk

for sake of discussion here is a list of previous shutdown's cause/effect. It doesn't seem to be an effective negotiating tactic . On the other hand you can't expect POTUS to rubber stamp everything.

Zardoz
Zardoz

His emergency declaration will will get him a bigger spanking from Ruth Ginsnberg than he got from Nancy Pelosi. I’m beginning to wonder if he’s into getting spanked by tiny women.

lol
lol

he's talkin smack,he knows the Wall is dead,once you capitulate no will take you seriously

AWC
AWC

Negotiate? With the biggest collection of liars and cutthroats ever assembled in one place, the Con-gress? Nancy doesn't "negotiate." She coerces, intimidates and manipulates. Remember, she has 31 years experience in getting her way within the above mentioned "Club."

A lot different experience than walking into a local building/planning department somewhere, fat checkbook in hand, to negotiate for building permits.

TheRealist
TheRealist

Had you listened to Trump's speech on Friday instead of limiting your info to twitter, you would have realized the wall is limited in scope -he said it in plain English "we do not need 2000 miles of wall from sea to shining sea" [his words for those who pay attention]. As for challenging the wall in court if he uses emergency powers that are clearly granted in the statutes, it is less than obvious how this could be done and who would have standing to bring a suit about what is after all just a fund re-allocation (I would suggest listening to real / qualified lawyers on that subject instead of your cousin Vinnie or the idiots on CNN, NBC, FOX etc). The problem with Trump is that he is a negotiator and like most negotiators he is unable to recognize when it's time to stop negotiating...

Zardoz
Zardoz

Who is going to negotiate with this guy, when he constantly lies, breaks his word, stiffs contractors, and surrounds himself with crooks? Trump will get nothing, and cry about it until he's escorted from the oval office.

Let's check in on the scoreboard: 34 Indictments/Charges (Individuals) (and counting) 3 Indictments/Charges (Companies) 5 GUILTY pleas (and counting) 4 CONVICTIONS (and counting) Indicted: Roger Stone Indicted: Paul Manafort Indicted: Rick Gates Indicted: George Papadopoulos Indicted: Michael Flynn Indicted: Michael Cohen Indicted: Richard Pinedo Indicted: Alex gvan der Zwaan Indicted: Konstantin Kilimnik Indicted: 12 Russian GRU officers Indicted: Yevgeny Prigozhin Indicted: Mikhail Burchik Indicted: Aleksandra Krylova Indicted: Anna Bogacheva Indicted: Sergey Polozov Indicted: Maria Bovda Indicted: Dzheykhun Aslanov Indicted: Vadim Podkopaev Indicted: Irina Kaverzina Indicted: Gleb Vasilchenko Indicted: Internet Research Agency Indicted: Concord Management Guilty Plea: Michael Flynn Guilty Plea: Michael Cohen Guilty Plea: George Papadopolous Guilty Plea: Richard Pinedo Guilty Plea: Alex van der Zwaan Guilty Plea: Rick Gates Over 191 Criminal Charges (and counting): Conspiracy against the USA (2 counts) Conspiracy to launder money (2 counts) Bank fraud (8 counts) Bank fraud conspiracy (10 counts) Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts) Making false statements (6 counts) Failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts (14 counts) Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (2 counts) False FARA statements (2 counts) Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts) Assisting in preparation of false tax documents (5 counts) Conspiracy to defraud the United States (13 counts) Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (2 counts) Aggravated identity theft (24 counts)

RonJ
RonJ

Was it Yogi Bera that said it isn't over until it's over? The clock is still ticking.

wootendw
wootendw

There is likely to be a deal. Billions for Dem programs and a 5 billion dollar wall so Trump can claim he kept his promise. Both sides will claim victory; the losers will be the American people. That's what will be happening behind the scenes(in Venezuala and elsewhere).

Don't forget that the 21-day funding program will expire otherwise.

themonosynaptic
themonosynaptic

DACA plus HR1 = $5.9B Wall Funding

Mitch will have a fit.

pi314
pi314

Trump could rev up immigration enforcement bigly and leverage on DACA. Dems will cave.

Stimpson
Stimpson

I still believe that Trump hasn't realised that his usual negotiating tactic (bullying / intimidating) is very effective in the world of financial assest (when there is only one issue to be negotiated: money) but not in negotiations that encompass multiple issues. He wants a wall, and just needs to find out what he has to give so he gets enough votes. But he is clearly a one trick pony and that makes him so amazingly ineffective. And, off topic, since I don't agree with many of his priorities, so far it's been good to see him screw up just about any initiative to be honest.

Sechel
Sechel

Trump sprung this on Republicans. They went along but reluctantly so. Very hard to rebuild a consensus the second go around. Even harder when there was no coordination with house and senate republicans the first time

ML1
ML1

It is really simple:

If Trump does NOT build the wall he will be a one-term president and will be remembered as a LIAR and a total FAILURE.

Therefore since Trump is a bit of a narcissist and it matters to him a lot what people think about him and I believe he would like to be a 2-term president his only choice is to get the wall built.

Also Mexico is now giving migrants trying to cross Mexico and come to USA 12 month temporary humanitarian residence permits therefore USA should REFUSE to accept any asylum applications from them either at ports of entry or at the border or inside USA and just refuse them entry or return them BACK to Mexico since they have a valid residence permit there and there is nobody persecuting them in Mexico.

The credible fear evaluations are a JOKE since Geneva Convention on refugees does NOT count abusive spouses back home or gang threats back home as valid reasons to claim asylum but for some reason leftist/Democrat judges let people like this pass through the credible fear evaluation after which they are allowed to ask for asylum.

Sessions was supposed to fix this but apparently the bureaucracy has swallowed this Sessions tightening and Trump and Jared are too stupid to notice that 99% of the asylum claims are meritless and should NOT pass the credible fear stage.

abend237-04
abend237-04

No deal is possible with the Beltway swamp dwellers. It's like trying to negotiate a deal with the two biggest Mexican cartels on stopping illegal drugs crossing the border. Both national parties are up to their gills in benefits from illegal immigration. Expect no deal, but maybe a wall of sorts this time.

abend237-04
abend237-04

Wall or no wall, there'll be little progress unless E-verify is enforced this time. And for those buying the scam that E-verify is just horrendously unmanageable, try leaving a single, simple 1099 form with income off your tax return and discover personally just how quick IRS computers can kick out a flag on your return.

Realist
Realist

I expect Trump will ratchet up his ”politics of hate” in order to rally his base to promote his wall. I anticipate more speeches about the danger posed by ”others”, and the ”crisis” at the border. Sadly, this will likely result in more racial violence perpetrated by his supporters in response to his speeches.

gregggg
gregggg

As soon as KamalToe Harris gets in office in 2021, she'll hire illegals to cut the wall down with acetylene torches.