Trump Threatens to Shut Down Gov't in Oval Office Feud with Pelosi, Schumer

Mike Mish Shedlock

At a White House meeting with top Democrats, Trump proclaims he would be "proud to shut down the government".

During negotiations over a year-end spending bill, Trump Threatens a Government Shutdown if he does not get his wall.

President Trump sparred in public with top Democrats on Tuesday, declaring he would shut down the U.S. government if the Congress doesn’t fund his proposed border wall, an indication that negotiations over a year-end spending bill would continue without an imminent resolution.

Mr. Trump’s willingness to assume responsibility for a partial government shutdown defied congressional Republicans’ intention to blame the Democrats if it happens. A physical wall at the border with Mexico, a central item in the president’s agenda and rallying-cry for his base, has emerged as the biggest sticking point in the negotiations.

“If we don’t get what we want one way or another, whether it’s through you, through the military, through whatever you want to call, I will shut down the government,” Mr. Trump told House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) in the Oval Office.

“I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck.”

Oval Office Debate

The debate is amusing or pathetic, depending in your point of view.

The video is below. Start at about the five minute mark. Pelosi repeatedly moans about the debate being in public. Then Trump gets into it with Schumer at the end.

Play the final 11 minutes and watch the discussion go straight downhill.

After the meeting Schumer told the press: “We gave the president two ways, each of which will get a majority in the House and 60 votes in the Senate and will avoid a shutdown. We hope he’ll take it because a shutdown hurts too many innocent people.”

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (35)
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shamrock
shamrock

I thought all agencies other than Homeland Security already had full year funding, so wouldn't it just be a partial shutdown of 1 agency? Second question, we already spend $15-$25B a year enforcing the border and immigration laws, how much is enough?

KidHorn
KidHorn

Whenever there's a shutdown, the essential personnel still have to go to work, but they're limited in what they can work on. It has to be support of a critical system. They can't do any new work. Just maintain existing things. And most of what they maintain are things used by non essential personnel who aren't at work. So they sit around and do nothing for the most part. Essential personnel are almost entirely contractors while non essential are almost entirely gov't employees. The gov't employees get the days off and get paid for those days off. Free vacation for them.

Tinfoilhat
Tinfoilhat

Govt shutdown for my neighbors is party time, cry about going back, get paid for the missed time when they get back, yeah that's hurting.

BornInZion
BornInZion

The optics of a"government shutdown" are terrible for the big government stateists: Most Americans won't even notice it is happening!

Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi

I'm not really seeing the Republican Party as a going concern after another 2 years like this. I think they're going to be forced to turn on Trump to save what's left of their party.

douglascarey
douglascarey

This is Trump at his best. He forced these two losers to debate in public. It's called transparency and these DemonRats hate it.

JL1
JL1

The price for Trump wall on the whole US border is 25 billion. 18 billion is the actual wall everywhere and the rest is surveillance and extra personnel.

This is LESS than 0.5% of US federal budget.

I hope Trump gets his 25 billion since shutting down the government for 5 billion would be stupid.

Also those saying the wall needs to be built only on parts of US border with Mexico are inhumane and disgusting people that want migrants to die.

Already migrants are dying in the desert areas since they go where there is no wall and no surveillance and about 100 bodies have been found recently.

The wall needs to be on the whole US-Mexico border and it needs to be unpenetrable so migrants stay home or go work in Mexican factories.

JL1
JL1

And the wall is just once so if the cost is calculated over 10 years it is just under 0.05% of the yearly federal budget.

thimk
thimk

this is incredulous . we need immigration reform and a physical barrier . use military dollars to construct wall ,

sunny129
sunny129

I profit mainly by betting NEGATIVE on the mkt. All these dog fights will help me to achieve my object. So go on and help the the Global RESET to continue!

sunny129
sunny129

If one wants stop ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION there is a simple solution but ignored conveniently by the authorities and the lawmakers for years if not decades!

FINE and jail, those employers who employ those illegals. NO JOBS, no illegal immigration!

Rest is hypocrisy and hogwash!

Aaaal
Aaaal

Solution is simple. It will actually save us trillions. Call back all military. Set up a 1km buffer zone with pill boxes every 500 meters(or whatever proper military strategy calls for). No wall. No trillions spent policing the world. Problem solved. For those illegals who fly in(which is the most common method), require sponsors to vouch for them, i.e. family members in the US or back home, then imprison them/strip them of all possessions when their visitors go awol.

WALL, WALL, WALL. Even if this wall gets built it will fail. Like all things by the government, IT WILL GUARANTEED FAIL. All this wall talk is merely a point of strife getting us nowhere and dividing us even more.

Jojo
Jojo

Whenever Trump mentions "THE WALL", why doesn't someone ask him if he was familiar with the Great Wall in China? And then remind him that it was built to keep the Mongols out of the Chinese mainland but failed miserably. And the Great Wall it is a LOT BIGGER than anything Trump wants to build.

Zardoz
Zardoz

Congress isn't going to pay for the wall with our tax money. Donald needs to get that money from Mexico, like he said he would. I'm beginning to think maybe he doesn't want a wall at all.

CzarChasm-Reigns
CzarChasm-Reigns

Just pathetic. Not amusing. As usual, King Chaos puts on the biggest show. Easy to do, if unburdened by facts. Nancy protests against the spotlight. Then elbows her way into it. Chuck makes his stand too. One of them SHOULD have said: "When Mexico pays for the wall, it will be built". The ONLY thing that IS clear now is: if there is a govt. shutdown, King Chaos proudly proclaimed it so.

hmk
hmk

For some reason, which I don't know, neither party wants a solution to the illegal immigration issue. It couldn't be simpler. Allow those into the US, to become a citizen, that will work and pay taxes and bar them from collecting welfare benefits for a set period of time. For those already here if they are working with no criminal records and not collecting welfare make a reasonable pathway for citizenship. Secure the border. I don't know if a wall is the best way although it sounds like it is. I hope that idea has been thoroughly vetted and thought out. But this could all be fixed in one step. I believe most citizens would find this an agreeable solution but for some reasons the assholes in DC just put on a dog and pony show and bicker and do nothing.

Sechel
Sechel

Trump brought cameras in and proceeded to grandstand. Negotiations are not done on TV. Clearly a cheap p.r. stunt. Trump looked foolish.

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

Chuck the Schmuck couldn't even look at Donald.


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