Trump Walks Out of Shutdown Meeting With Pelosi in Few Minutes, Says Bye-Bye

Tump met with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer after a one sentence question.

Well, that was that. The meeting didn't last long.

Vice-President Mike Pence told reporters he was disappointed that Democrats were "unwilling to engage in good faith negotiations".

I fail to see how good-faith negotiations can happen. The wall is not a candy cane that can be broken in two. Nor can we declare a tie and move on.

One side demands a wall, the other side demands no wall. Want to build half a wall? A wall half height? There isn't much room to compromise here, no matter which side you support.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

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Gasmire
Gasmire

Fitch made some disconcerting comments re Uncle's AAA credit rating as a result of this nonsense.

pi314
pi314

Even if the wall is wasteful as Pelosi claims, what is her justification for shutting down a government that oversees a 20-trillion dollar economy over a relatively measly sum of $5b? The other argument that the wall is immoral is not going to fly. And she claims she is for strong border security!

Carl_R
Carl_R

The normal way a compromise works in a situation like this is that Side 1 says "we want A", and Side 2 says "we don't want A, and we are only willing to give it to you in exchange for B". Thus we could have Shumer and Pelosi say "We ware only willing to fund your wall if you agree to grant amnesty to all illegal immigrants with no criminal record, and in addition, an additional $10B in research on solar cell technology", or whatever it is they want.

ML1
ML1

The whole charade that Democrats are opposing the wall to save 5 billion is just a charade and lies.

5 billion is under 0.1% of the yearly Federal budget once.

Building the wall on the whole border according to the original estimate would be 25 billion and this would be under 0.5% of the yearly Federal budget once.

US pays 700+ billion per year in interest for the federal debt...

Jojo
Jojo

A Shut Down Government Actually Costs More Than an Open One By Jim Tankersley Jan. 9, 2019

A federal government shutdown might seem like a great way to save money: When agencies aren’t open, they aren’t spending tax dollars. But history shows us that closing the government actually costs more than keeping it open.

Shuttered parks can’t collect entrance fees. Furloughed workers will ultimately get paid for not showing up to work. And the government will wind up having to pay interest on missed payments to some contractors.

“There’s nothing good about this shutdown, from a fiscal or a budgetary standpoint,” said Michael A. Peterson, chairman of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, which advocates fiscal prudence and federal debt reduction. “We’re absolutely not celebrating not spending money.”

Here are some ways that the shutdown raises costs for the federal government. Federal employees will eventually get their salaries — for work they weren’t allowed to perform ....

Sechel
Sechel

Not the first Kanipshin Trump has thrown. It won't be his last. He feels boxed in. He's in a fight he didn't choose to have, Democrats won't give him what he wants, He's apparently not able or willing to make a real offer and for now at least he's not able to call a National Emergency, so Trump threw a Kanipshin fit. He basically reverted to a 7 year old

AWC
AWC

Schumer has been at this cutthroat game for 38 years, Pelosi for 31 years. Trump's 2 years are no match for those two, anyway you look at it. The swamp will end up draining The Donald, and all this will fade into history.

BornInZion
BornInZion

This whole charade only makes sense if it is really about 2020 and energizing the respective base constituency of each party.

pgp
pgp

The problem with modern politics is that it is populated by ignorant, head in the sand, establishment elites with no real understanding of the human sciences who lack the ability to think outside the box. Those in government follow each other like drones when times are good but devolve into headless chickens when things go wrong and their narrow expectations are threatened. Ultimately their top priority is themselves and their cronies. To expect good policy from such leadership is like believing in Santa Claus.

Sechel
Sechel

Schumer accused Trump of "using people as leverage" during the meeting, a congressional aide familiar with the meeting told NBC News. "Why won't you open the government and stop hurting people?"

"Because then you won't give me what I want," Trump replied, according to the aide.

TechDude
TechDude

Trump’s tantrum is absurd, but progressives are also absolutely foolish if they think that a government that “shuts down” so often should have a monopoly over our health care, retirement and other key life decisions.

This is all about tokenism at this point — the far right posturing about “a wall to keep out icky brown people” and the far left posturing about “anyone who wants to move here and get government benefits should be able to.”

shred1
shred1

Nuts! There is clearly room to compromise. Clearly. Trump has said he would come down and negotiate from 5.7 billion, but Nancy Pelosi said "NO" to any funding for any part of a wall/fence. Ridiculous! She AND Charly Schumer voted to build 400 miles in California under Bill Clinton, and 300 miles in Texas under GW Bush. They also voted for more in 2013 and 2018 and approved funding for the same to be built by Border Patrol, which has already built over 200 miles in Texas and elsewhere. BP is currently building another 100 miles in New Mexico just to the west of El Paso, Texas.

What's the difference in 5.7 and Nancy's 1.6 in "border security"? Not much more than her tossing on another 1 billion and agreeing to some steel slat wall fencing, which she's voted to build and has built before.

There's only one reason she is saying no, and one reason only. The #1 reason Trump voters wanted him was to build a wall. Trump's not even asking for a lot, as one billion in funding for wall/fence translates to about 200 miles.

The difference is a rounding error at the Pentagon. They spend that much at lunch time. It ain't the moon and back for lunch.

You're a hypocrite, Mish.