UK Election Debate: Johnson Wins by Not Losing

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There were no huge blows in the UK election debate. With Johnson so far ahead, a tie was a win for Johnson.

I watched the debate after it was over.

You can watch the debate by delay on ITV.

Halfway Notes I Sent to a Friend

  1. I am watching the debate on a delay. I am about halfway through. There is hardly anything to crow about.
  2. Both side will likely claim victory but I see little reason for any minds to change here.
  3. The key thing for me is Johnson looks happy and smiling. Corbyn looks miserable, if that matters.

Finished watching the entire debate.

Accurate Summation

Also to the Point

Cheerleading

There was a ton of partisan clapping after every answer. They should disallow this.

Popularity

People are going to believe their guy won nearly all of the time.

But Corbyn is in a huge hole. Who did he sway?

Referendum on Corbyn

As noted yesterday, Fear of Corbyn Outweighs Fear of Brexit

Take a look at the snap survey following the debate.

Who looks more like a Prime Minister?

Who is more likeable?

Give a small win to Corbyn on trust.

Corbyn won on "being in touch with ordinary people" but will that translate into votes?

For the entire debate, Corbyn looked like a big sourpuss. I do not know if that matters, but perhaps it filtered through in the "likeable" question.

Pick the Winner

Pick your own winner but make sure it does not reflect your bias. I will call this a tie.

But Corbyn needed far better than that.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (20)
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avidremainer
avidremainer

Once people get the idea that Corbyn is everybody's uncle then the election changes. To lose by by 2 % to the great crusading liar given that he is the most unpopular politician around is no mean feat and shows the liar is not up to much. The Libdems have been very disappointing so far and unless Swinson pulls her finger out we will be also rans. Thursday Labour publish their manifesto, if it goes down a storm hang on for a wild ride. Word is that they are coming out with a policy to deal with the problem that kippered May- care for the aged.

numike
numike

“The worst may now be over for global trade as tensions over Brexit and the U.S.-China relationship show signs of easing, according to a key freight industry executive. ‘Brexit naturally slows everyone down in making decisions, but it will get resolved in the space of three to four months,’ John Pearson, who runs the worldwide DHL Express operations of Deutsche Post AG, said in an interview. ‘There is a positive mood within the China-U.S. trade relationship, that’s a fact. I’m not anticipating it to get any worse.'” • We’ll see!

avidremainer
avidremainer

According to ITV, the hosts for tonight's debate, it was 78%-22% in Corbyn's favour on their poll, 29,665 polled. I don't believe this, see how outrageous UK polls are?

Mish
Mish

Editor

"According to ITV, the hosts for tonight's debate, it was 78%-22% in Corbyn's favour on their poll, 29,665 polled. I don't believe this, see how outrageous UK polls are?"

Lovely And I believe it. Everyone should. It is social media crapola at which Liberals excel. It was not meant to be a valid poll and it wasn't. But yes, it's entirely believable.

Mish
Mish

Editor

The YouGov poll was meant to be scientific. It likely was. Call it a tossup, which by the way was my verdict before I saw the poll.

If it does not sway opinion, and I doubt it does, Corbyn lost time. Neither debated well IMO but that does not help Corbyn.

Mish

BaronAsh
BaronAsh

Just finished watching on delay. It was so poorly structured and hosted that I don't think either side benefited - just an unpleasant waste of everyone's time. Any time one of them did start to warm to a topic or an argument, he was cut off by a busybody, know-it-all press persona that has infected all of UK political coverage of late. This mainly happened to Boris because he found it impossible to stay within the much too tight soundbite-only time constraints. I probably won't bother watching any more of them!

For myself, I found Corbyn far more convincing in that he seemed relaxed and on top of things with a calm overview of complex topics, whilst Boris seemed way too pushy and salesman-y and without depth or gravitas.

Deep Purple
Deep Purple

"Whose opinion is it going to change? The ordinary people who were going to vote for Corbyn anyway?"

The target group of Corbyn is LibDem supporters. The most important fact about the debate in this sense is that Jo Swinson did not participate. If she comes over as a vote waster, that plays largely in the favour of Labour.

As for "ordinary people", it is Johnson who wants to do the trick in poor Labour heartlands with his Brexit. He is the one who needs a structural change in British politics. If he is out of touch with ordinary people, that does not help.

WildBull
WildBull

Of course Corbyn seems to be in touch with the common man. He's promising free stuff with money taken a gunpoint from those OTHER people.

JustASimpleMan
JustASimpleMan

"Once people get the idea that Corbyn is everybody's uncle then the election changes".

They already know he's an uncle - the creepy sort who smells a bit funny and makes unsettling suggestions in exchange for promises of sweeties. The more 1970s red Jezza stuff he trots out, the further the balance will swing away. 2017 was his high water mark.

Forget the manifestos, only sad acts like me and politicos read them. Repealing union laws will be hidden in the middle again, as was fox hunting in the Tory rag last time.

Scooot
Scooot

The last time a Labour Government was in power with similar policies to those driven by Momentum was the 1970s. These were the income tax rates in 1977/78 up to £6000 34% 6000- 7000 40% 7000 - 8000 45% 8000 - 9000 50% 9000 - 10000 55% 10000 - 12000 60% 12000- 14000 65% 16000- 21000 75% over £21000 83%

djhowls
djhowls

You are forgetting the Moslems and the students who all vote twice

Mish
Mish

Editor

There is only 15% of the Lib Dems left for Labour to target. Corbyn has already picked off all but the hard core. They can't stand him and thus no more gains coming