Weather Service Issues First Ever Extreme Fire Warning for LA

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More PG&E related fires rage in California. Hundreds of thousands evacuated. No one can figure out what to do.

Not Arson, PG&E Related

Mandatory Evacuations

5% Contained

First Ever Extreme Fire Warning

CNN reports Fire conditions near LA prompt the National Weather Service to issue its first-ever extreme red flag warning

It's one word the National Weather Service in Los Angeles doesn't want Southern California residents to overlook -- extreme.

As in, this isn't just another red flag warning -- meaning winds, temperatures and humidity are ripe for fire danger. It's an extreme red flag warning.

The weather service in using the term for the first time to convey that the fire conditions expected this week "have not been seen in recent memory."

Hurricane-force winds -- the kinds that knock down power lines and trees -- are expected to blow across bone-dry vegetation on Wednesday, and the weather service is warning there is a danger of very rapid fire spread.

Kincade Fire

Companies Plan to Turn Off Power Again

  • Pacific Gas & Electric said it intends to interrupt power to about 596,000 customers in 29 counties in central and northern California by Tuesday night, with some outages starting in the morning.
  • In Southern California, 205,000 customers in seven counties are under consideration for possible power shutoffs, Southern California Edison said.

Hurricane-Force Santa Ana Winds

The LA Times reports ‘Extreme’ warning issued ahead of hurricane-force Santa Ana winds, the strongest since 2007

A total of 43 counties in California are experiencing red-flag warnings or historic wind events, said Gov. Gavin Newsom, who also attended the news conference. “It’s been a long week,” he said.

Newsom declared a statewide emergency Sunday as wildfires spread throughout the state, burning tens of thousands of acres and forcing evacuations of more than 180,000 people. They include the massive Kincade fire in Northern California, which has destroyed at least 124 structures and threatens an additional 90,000.

Hopelessness of Wildfire Season

Please consider the Hopelessness of Wildfire Season

Fires are roaring across California again. Last week, the Tick Fire engulfed the Santa Clarita Valley just north of Los Angeles, forcing the evacuation of about 50,000 people. On Monday, the Getty Fire broke out along the western edge of Los Angeles in the early hours of the morning, quickly enveloping 600 acres. In Sonoma County—wine country—nearly 200,000 people had to evacuate over the weekend due to the Kincaid Fire, which doubled in size between Sunday and Monday and now is burning a swath of land more than twice the size of San Francisco. It is only 15 percent contained, with thousands of firefighters working around the clock. Officials haven’t determined the cause, but a jumper cable connecting PG&E equipment to a transmission tower near Kincade Road failed just minutes before officials say the fire began in the same location.

An investor-owned utility, PG&E provides power to most of California, servicing more than 16 million people. It’s also been found responsible for at least 17 of the state’s 21 major wildfires in 2017, not to mention last year’s Camp Fire in which 87 people died, making it the deadliest fire in California history. Several times this month, PG&E has cut the power on more than a million customers for fear of winds sparking a fire. Schools have closed. The lights went out in high-traffic tunnels. Residents on assistive medical devices were told to evacuate. PG&E owns these power lines and is supposed to trim the trees around them and keep its equipment in working order, but it has failed to keep up with these duties for decades. A number of factors, including climate change and patterns of settlement and development, have conspired to bring California to this point. But season after season, after the flames are out and the damage is tallied, Californians all too often learn that the fire started with a PG&E line.

Right now, PG&E would rather pull the plug on hundreds of thousands of people across large areas of the state for a few days—often on short notice—rather than risk another fire. It’s still not clear how the company will account for the more than $30 billion it’s estimated to owe due to destruction caused by the wildfires for which it’s been found responsible. The company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy earlier this year, freezing its debts as it continues to offer service to Californians. It’s now in the middle of a reorganization that will likely prioritize the interests of the creditors who are owed money over the fire victims who were displaced or lost loved ones, many of whom continue to pay a monthly bill to the utility.

Raging Fires

How big are the California fires? See the size and shape of dozens of blazes on NBC's Map of California Fires.

https://youtu.be/XNnKYqOBLIs

Blackouts a Way of Life

PG&E now says "blackouts are a way of life".

Time to Move?

Fires, earthquakes, mud slides, taxes, insane property prices: I am not trying to be cynical and I wish the best for those affected, but is living in California worth it?

We are escaping Illinois, but it will be to Utah, not California.

Escape Illinois: Get The Hell Out Now, We Are

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (97)
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Harry-Ireland
Harry-Ireland

Wow. What a terrible situation. And no, I'm not even going to suggest anything as stupid as the usual internetcomments about California and its inhabitants. It's just a terrible waste of nature, resources and property. Utah is beautiful Mish. Good choice and best of luck!

numike
numike

If I was where I would be Then I'd be where I am not Here I am where I must be Where I would be, I can not

Country Bob
Country Bob

--> PG&E now says "blackouts are a way of life".

California's radical democrats have finally succeeded in turning their state into real 3rd world sh!t hole, complete with homelessness, medieval disease, rampant government corruption, man-made ecological disasters (water mismanagement, wacky forest policies, etc), and now the banana-republic of California has intermittent and unreliable electrical power.

Can't wait to hear when some hollywood airhead figures out the electricity in the wall that charges their Tesla does not just spontaneously materialize there... where electricity comes from isn't covered in gender normative studies class.

California got exactly what they voted for, and f#ck them for trying to force their stupidity on the rest of the country and the world

Realist
Realist

Very sad news from California Mish. Though moving to Utah seems more like changing your cabin on the Titanic. In the long run, you might be better off leaving the country.

thimk
thimk

This is a terrible state of affairs for california . i don't wish this on anyone. but it behooves us a nation and a community to be prepared for severe weather changes no matter what the reason is.

Yancey_Ward
Yancey_Ward

The state is basically ungovernable. There isn't any will, any common sense, and no real funds to do the basic functions required of state and local governments.

It will only get worse from here.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Wildfires are a problem throughout the west and will be for decades. You won't escape in Utah Mish. Mark my words on this.

The best way to deal with these wildfires is to let them burn and evacuate people. It turns out the biggest fires in California are the best fire breaks for future fires.

Most of the west that doesnt have underground power will need it.

WarpartySerf
WarpartySerf

" the probable cause of the #GettyFire was a tree branch that broke off "

No The cause of the fire was a monopolistic greedy corporation refusing to trim it's right of way. In NC Duke Power has the same contempt for their customers. They've found it's WAY more profitable to just let the limbs crash. Then they text their captive customers "The power outage was caused by trees falling on our equipment".

PS In Europe the power lines are underground. Duh. (regardless of the distances, 30-60 billion in losses every time the Santa Ana winds blow is insane).

BornInZion
BornInZion

Who is John Galt?

KidHorn
KidHorn

As always, global warming is a contributing factor. It doesn't rain for 6 months in California. That's what happens in a Mediterranean climate. Has always been true. But that isn't what causes everything to dry out. It's the summer temperatures being a degree warmer than normal. And if you disagree, you don't understand science.

Country Bob
Country Bob

Neighboring states to California get the same rain (or less) and the same snow melt in the spring. But they have far less problems compared to California.

Then again, neighboring states have controlled burns. Neighboring states do a better job managing water supplies and try to capture some of the snow melt. Neighboring states don't overbuild like CA does. Neighboring states don't have landscape lighting on their McMansions. And neighboring states don't prohibit electrical generation plants from being built in their state -- they sell electricity to CA crazies over long distance transmission lines.

Despite the Enron fiasco that highlighted CA's dependence on out of state generation / long distance transmission lines... despite the increased need for electricity to power Tesla chargers and landscape lighting and central A/C McMansions... California voters voted, again and again, to prohibit power generation in their state. California refused to build water storage, or fix their ridiculous water usage laws. That isn't mother natures fault, nor Putin's fault or any of the long list of excuses Californians use to deflect blame from themselves.

It wasn't one bad vote in California, it was dozens. And unlike states with more balanced politics, left wing extremism had no check and balance in California.

California voted to have problems, and they got what they voted for.

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

The power line that the branch fell on which started the Getty Fire is owned by Los Angeles Water & Power, not PG&E or SoCal Ed. I have talked many times with the crews that trim growth around power lines and they tell me a lot of people get mad at them for cutting back the greenery, and some refuse to let them on their land. They love it when I ask them to cut back as much as possible.

RonJ
RonJ

A new fire this morning, in Simi Valley, just west of the San Fernando valley, just north of the Reagan Presidential Library.

It is windy in Simi Valley right now, but maybe 20 miles east, where i live, not a leaf is stirring on the trees outside. Last year it was windy where the Woolsey fire blew down through to Malibu, but simultaneously, wind was mild in Griffith Park where a brush fire occurred, allowing that one to be knocked down quickly.

LB412
LB412

This is media driven BS. We have always had strong dry winds this time of year. Fires are VERY common all summer long. The area near the Getty seems to burn every other year.

What has changed is after the loss of life over the past two years and the associated lawsuits the utility companies are now turning off the power. No other recent changes.

Jerry Brown says this is global warming...

  1. The population has doubled to 40M
  2. Environmentalist fight EVERY type of natural mitigation strategy. That includes forest thinning, goats creating larger fire breaks in the souther brush areas during peak fire season, etc.
  3. We are not in a drought condition and haven't been in two or three years. In fact last years rain pattern increased growth which = more fuel.
  4. Cal Fire union refuses help from Camp Pendleton fire resources... guess why.
Brother
Brother

What you hear on the national news isn't whats really happening as it appears. The wind this time of year is normal what is not is heavy brush growth over a decade and lots of tree plantings and home construction in those canyons. Powerlines and careless people are to blame. The Mayor said it was an act of God and these fools will blame it on climate change.

Brother
Brother

Also the TV weather have been forecasting 50-60-70-80 mph wind gust when actually they are more like 20mph. They are putting fear into peoples heads.

Cocoa
Cocoa

The worst fire in history in CA was caused by a steam train sparking into the woods. It's been like this forever, but people insist on living in remote areas and not maintaining the brush and trees. In the Oakland Hills, there is slash, bric a brak tall grass and explosive trees that are non native.

SMF
SMF

"Many Native American tribe had actually deliberately started fires in order to free up the land for agriculture, or promote the growth of certain plants that would attract deer and other animals they could hunt."

FromBrussels
FromBrussels

'global warming' some say....well, maybe, but the biggest problem on our clod of earth is 'human breeding', without a shadow of doubt .....from 2 bln to 8 bln(and ruthlessly ticking) in just a century...Gullible if we think that everything is gonna be fine... economically, socially, environmentally....it is IMPOSSIBLE !

SleemoG
SleemoG

"... is living in California worth it?"

Yes.

Snow_Dog
Snow_Dog

Forty year growth cycles for managed forestry, including Redwoods, back when California actually was as strong as it pretends to be today.

Conservation efforts are discussed at (14:57)