Make America White Again: Haiti, African Nations ‘Shithole’ Countries

Mike Mish Shedlock

Trump raised a stir today by calling Haiti, African nations ‘shithole’ countries. Trump wants immigrants from Norway.

In a meeting with Senators, Trump Calls Haiti, African Nations ‘Shithole’ Countries.

President Donald Trump questioned senators in an Oval Office meeting Thursday on why the U.S. accepts immigrants from “shithole countries” like Haiti, El Salvador and African nations rather than places like Norway, according to three people briefed on the conversation.

Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, who wasn’t in the meeting, in a tweet called the president’s remarks, “Breathtakingly offensive. Worse, it’s ignorant of American ideals.”

The chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, Democratic Representative Cedric Richmond of Louisiana, said the president’s statement “reinforces the concerns that we hear every day, that the President’s slogan Make America Great Again is really code for Make America White Again.’ ”

In the strongest reaction from a Republican, Representative Mia Love of Utah, a child of Haitian immigrants, demanded an apology and said the president’s remarks were "unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nation’s values."

"My parents," Love said, "came from one of those countries but proudly took an oath of allegiance to the United States and took on the responsibilities of everything that being a citizen comes with."

"Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?" Trump said, according to the Post, which quoted two people briefed on the meeting. Trump then suggested the U.S. should instead accept more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met with Wednesday.

Trump was reported in December to have made similarly disparaging comments last year about people who had received U.S. visas in 2017. He said that people from Haiti "all have AIDS" while people from Nigeria would never "go back to their huts," the New York Times said.

No one can accuse Trump of not speaking his mind. Comment away.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

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yooj
yooj

They load their kids in dinghies, and in vessels so rickety that I wouldn’t trust them for a cocktail party while docked, and set to sea for here knowing they might die of thirst drifting, or end up drown. And he says we don’t need Haitians. We don’t need them, he says, because their country is bad. But that’s precisely why we need them. If their country were paradise, then we wouldn’t need them to live up to our creed: “Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” If a Haitian boat person doesn’t merit the highest priority to see Lady Liberty then who does? A well-nourished Norwegian? Trump only cares about narrow pecuniary gain, and that only with the most shortsighted vision. Americans define self-interest more broadly. That’s why we have been worthy of a statue symbolizing liberty and countries like Hati are not.

Grumblenose
Grumblenose

Democrat Senators said it was so, so it must be true. Video or it didn't happen.

Nmcoyote1
Nmcoyote1

I wonder if this will be another one of those fake Trump stories that are floated every day. Day after day they claim he did or said something. And these are often fake stories. If He did say this he should of been much more tactful. The reality is, They really are shithole countrys run by despots. But that is not the immigrants fault. As long as they want to come over here and be part of our country, show pride in it and be a plus for our society. Then we should want them here. I don’t know if it’s media saturation or what. But so many immigrants seem like they are coming here to diss our country. And make it into the mess they came from.

Clintonstain
Clintonstain

@yooj, I’m guessing you don’t know about Little Haiti in Miami. It has a large number of expatriate Haitians and is a rathole. It’s easily the most dangerous area of an already dangerous city. Wonder why, with all of that pent up desire to live up to Lady Liberty’s aspirations, they just live like they were still back in Haiti. What a mystery...

pgp
pgp

Trump just says what most people think. The real mistake is in the wider government thinking that invading or coercing these shithole countries is in anyway the right thing to do.

pi314
pi314

We should be taking in highly educated immigrants. If so, Trump is correct.

formula57
formula57

If Trump is not careful, he will create shortage of huddled masses.

Wrldtrst
Wrldtrst

...but they are s**tholes, he could have added pretty much everything south of Texas (excluding Costa Rica and Panama)

Wrldtrst
Wrldtrst

well maybe chile, columbia, and peru are now only half-s**tholes - they are trying.

JanNL
JanNL

Would somebody in charge in Europe please ask the same question.

Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear

The more people America welcomes from despotic and corrupt countries, the fewer people in those countries who are left to fight despots and corruption.

KidHorn
KidHorn

The more truthful the comment, the more offensive it is.

KnotchoLibre
KnotchoLibre

So this is what happens when you are a welfare state? All the welfare recipients (shithole nations) immigrate to your city and the not-to-shithole nations stay home because they don't live in shitholes?
Originally we had migration from political and religious freedoms (Puritans et al).
Then there were others from the potato famine and other major events.
Recently we hear about immigration from despot nations.
Are there any others?

Sechel
Sechel

My reaction to Trump is that there should be no doubt that he's both a racist and lacks any understanding of immigration and the American experience. Nobody comes here that isn't looking for a better life. The Norwegian immigrant wave of the 1800's occurred when that country had huge economic problems and people didn't have food or jobs. Italians and Irish likewise came in the early 20th century when those nations also suffered economically . Immigrants are rarely doctors, lawyers or engineers. It's usually the children of immigrants that become the doctors or lawyers unless the immigrants come at an extremely young age. Saying he wants a merit based system is really code for white immigrants and as I recall the Stephen Miller of the Trump team tried to make speaking English a key skill. The truth is people come here when things are not good back home, they get a job either in their own community or outside, learn english pay taxes and their kids go to college and become the lawyers and doctors we hear about while Dad drives a taxi and Mom sews or cleans floors etc

WildBull
WildBull

I'm glad to take immigrants from shithole countries as long as they support themselves when they get here (no public assistance) and don't want to establish Sharia law (invasion). It is the ambitious that have the guts to leave their shithole. Better for us.

WildBull
WildBull

And, they are shitholes!

RonJ
RonJ

"My reaction to Trump is that there should be no doubt that he's both a racist..." The Democratic Party is racist. Identity politics. Everything is racist oppression to them.

Winston2018
Winston2018

Are they NOT sh*tholes? And if one sees this as related to the predominant race of the citizens of those nations, who then is the racist? The Dem's 1965 Immigration Act turned immigration policy into charity for 3rd world nations whereas immigration had previously been predominantly from the 1st world, their Act being a great way to ensure the growth of the Dem base with high birth rate citizens dependent on state handouts who vote 70-80% left. This is also the entire basis of their "love" for illegal aliens. Eventually, they know, demographics will completely nullify the votes of anyone who wants limited government instead of a socialist welfare state. If these imported citizens voted 708-80% right, the Dems would have built a wall visible from space decades ago, perhaps with a few doors to placate the corporate lobbyists who want cheap, hard working labor who can't complain about working conditions and whose medical care and food supplementation allowed by the first anchor baby are paid for by taxpayers. Solution? MERIT based immigration as is done by other countries. But, of course, this will never happen.

WildBull
WildBull

The far left wants to take all comers to dilute what is left of Western Culture and the ideas about individual rights and liberty that came from the Age of Enlightenment and the development of the Protestant Church. When the West falls, the Crony Fascist Marxist cabal that's pulling strings in the background hopes to swoop in and create one world government and one world market all run by the same people. Socialist poverty and Hell for all but the few anointed.

WildBull
WildBull

Ever notice how the giant corporations the the Dems hate so much provide the the Dems with virtually all their funding? Chew on that

RonJ
RonJ

"Saying he wants a merit based system is really code for white immigrants..." That is leftist propaganda. Leftists declare hard work to get ahead is racist, math is racist- they come up with something new every month it seems. The left is pushing an orchestrated political agenda.

WildBull
WildBull

Ron -- It all Race, all Sex all the time.

CzarChasm-Reigns
CzarChasm-Reigns

"The problem for the ruling class is that, once again, Trump has said in public what so many in the corporate-financial oligarchy and the state apparatus think and say in private."

CzarChasm-Reigns
CzarChasm-Reigns

Selected quote from "Trump’s racist diatribe against 'shithole countries' exposes bipartisan conspiracy against immigrants" http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/01/12/trum-j12.html

Rugar
Rugar

If the places Presiden Donald J Trump referred to why are their people even wanting to come to the USA? Andy why are not thousands of Americans trying to immigrate to those countries? Because they are $hitholes

DBG8489
DBG8489

I've been to most of those places - and some others they didn't mention. They are shitholes. In some of them, the shit literally runs down the street with the rest of the sewage. Some folks don't even bother stepping over it, they just walk through it.
Furthermore, the reality is that most of the people who live in these countries offer nothing in the way of skill sets necessary to an advanced technology-related economy. So they come here and end up on the social welfare rolls almost immediately. Why would we import those who offer nothing of value?
And the "shithole" comment - while probably ill-advised - is nowhere near racist. It isn't even bigoted as not all of the people in these shithole countries are brown, or tan, or even off-white.
And besides, criticizing other people who happen to be a different color than you isn't racist or bigoted unless you're claiming they're inferior because of their race. Trump just said (allegedly) that we were prioritizing immigration from "shithole" countries. Ironically, those who automatically assume he means exclusively non-white countries are the ones basing it on race.
So remind me - who exactly is the racist in this case?

Sechel
Sechel

let's be honest. trump didn't want to stop immigration from those areas because of the countries. it was because he doesn't like the people

Ambrose_Bierce
Ambrose_Bierce

This whole thread is an embarrassment. Are you all Russian trolls?

Blurtman
Blurtman

The USA had previously labeled Eastern and Southern Europe as shitholes and cut back on the immigration of undesirables from this regions. See the Immigration Act of 1924. This is exactly what the USA stands for, remarks by ignorant liberals aside.

WildBull
WildBull

Sechel, it is about CULTURE. East Asians, East Indians and a big portion of the Jews that are in this country came from shithole countries. They busted their hind ends to earn the money to start businesses and get good educations. They all believe in hard work and study as the road to success All the aforementioned groups earn above the white median. I'm glad they are here, producing well above average. I believe that a rising tide lifts all boats and that we are all better off that they are here. What we don't need are hoards of illiterate, unskilled people that are willing to subsist at the public teat.

Stuki
Stuki

“No country run by dark people have ever amounted to anything but a Sh#$hole!”

Neither has any country “ran” by anyone, of any color, ever. We’re all Sh#$hole!s now. Playing favorites, serve no other purpose, than flaunting how uncritically one has fallen for the indoctrination machine in one’s own particular Sh#$hole!.

SweetKenny
SweetKenny

@CzarChasm-Reigns no you didn't see him say it on NBC. There were no videos of it happening and the people who say he said it weren't even at the meeting. If you're going to make a comment at least have your facts straight.

mrburns
mrburns

1) Democrats ahve spent more than a year claiming Trump colluded with Putin to win the presidency, yet they cant provide a shred of proof that this was true. Now they are going bananas claiming Trump used inappropriate language based upon anonymous third party attributions. There is no video or recordings and Trump denies it. Since democrats frequently lie, cheat and slander maybe this shouldn't be treated as gospel.

mrburns
mrburns

2) Trump is objecting to the diversity lottery which takes in people with no regard for their abilities, skills, criminality, health or anything else all because making new citizens from weird and unusual locations is somehow supposed to benefit the country. He wants people who are solvent, capable, la-abiding and English speaking who have a desire to live as self-supporting free people, not welfare leaches. Don't see anything wrong with that. The diversity lottery privileges people who come from backward, corrupt and impoverished countries who cannot qualify based upon merit. It seems very sensible to ask why we want to do this, why privilege people from deplorable countries (to use Hillary, rather than LBJ speak)?

Sechel
Sechel

wonder if trump ever sat in on any of his companies harassment sessions

CzarChasm-Reigns
CzarChasm-Reigns

@SweetKenny, my comment has been removed. I was not trying to spread fake news. I actually thought I did SEE Trump say it, but upon review of the video, Trump was talking about other things. I was eating dinner, saw "shithole countries" in quotes onscreen, and must have assumed they were going to tape to prove their point. White House didn't deny it. Trump doesn't know what he is saying half the time anyway. Too bad King Chaos has no regard for facts, or anyone, but himself.

cecilhenry
cecilhenry

The West, including Canada and America, is not and never was intended to be, a place for "all races and nations". To claim that it is, or was, is a direct attack on the identity, legitimacy, and existence of the Western people.

Is there a non-White majority area that you would like to live in?? If so, why aren't you there? IF not, why don't you admit Whites have racial interests and rights.
1.White people exist. 2. White people have the RIGHT to exist. 3. White people have the RIGHT to exist AS White people in White Communities and Nations.

klausmkl
klausmkl

God Bless President Trump

Liberaldisdain
Liberaldisdain

It was ok to come from a shithole country when there was no instant welfare, medicaid and foodstamps. It is not ok now.......

No. 51-61
JoeAllen
JoeAllen

The USA is now a WELFARE STATE.

DBG8489
DBG8489

@liberaldisdain

No actually. It wasn't even okay then.

People forget - or are never taught - that even right after the founding and continuing into the first part of the 20th century there were restrictions on who could immigrate into the US. We didn't just open the floodgates and allow anyone in. Many were rejected and sent packing. Those that were not were marked with a tag. Which is where the old saying "do I have a tag on my lapel saying I just got off a boat?" came from. It impled that the one using the phrase thought the person to whom they were speaking assumed them stupid or ignorant.

Immigration into the US was tightly controlled until recently - as in the past 20 years or so.

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

Illinois democrat Durban was the only democrat at the meeting and it is he who claims the nasty language from Trump. Trump and the others at the meeting deny it. Durban has been caught making up similar phony quotes in the past. Democrats will do anything to make Donald look bad; they are obviously desperate, and they can always count on some help from some RINOs.

SleemoG
SleemoG

Mish, you sure attract an interesting crowd. Not sure I've seen anything like it in 15 years of global economic trend analysis.

jeco
jeco

western democracies have had difficulty integrating muslim immigrants, this country has enough social challenges without putting on that hair shirt too. The Obama admin was in love with sub saharan muslim immigrants, time to try something different. How about a total immigrant freeze for the rest of Trumps term!

ipso_facto
ipso_facto

Do a comparative survey of living conditions in the countries Trump told the truth about. Sometimes 'The Truth' is not politically correct (no matter how much virtue signalling it generates.)

Troothsayer
Troothsayer

Turns out to not have been an accurate characterization of what Trump said. Wow. What a shock. NOT.

juminski
juminski

There are plenty of S@&tHoles in this country. The street in Buffalo, New York I grew up on in the 50s is now a s&%tHole!

Greggg
Greggg

Do we see white people on waiting lists to get into non white countries? South Africa, for instance?

Expat
Expat

Norwegians don't want to move to America. Why would they? I have never met a Norwegian who did not cringe at the very idea of America. They love their system.

ronmarket
ronmarket

Trump said the country, not the people. Take a trip there and you will understand. The people cannot seen to use democratic principles.


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