Russia Meddling "Act of War", Michael Moore Trapped, CIA Admissions

Idiotic comments regarding "Russia's act of war" against the US for meddling in the Us election has reached consensus.

IN THE WAKE of last week’s indictments alleging that 13 Russian nationals and entities created fake social media accounts and sponsored political events to sow political discord in the U.S., something of a consensus has arisen in the political and media class (with some notable exceptions) that these actions not only constitute an “act of war” against the U.S., but one so grave that it is tantamount to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Indeed, that Russia’s alleged “meddling” is comparable to the two most devastating attacks in U.S. history has, overnight, become a virtual cliché.

The claim that Russian meddling in the election is “an act of war” comparable to these events isn’t brand new. Senators from both parties, such as Republican John McCain and Democrat Jeanne Shaheen, have long described Russian meddling in 2016 as an “act of war.” Hillary Clinton, while promoting her book last October, described Russia’s alleged hacking of the DNC and John Podesta’s email inbox as a “cyber 9/11.” And last February, the always war-hungry Tom Friedman of the New York Times said on “Morning Joe” that Russian hacking “was a 9/11-scale event. They attacked the core of our democracy. That was a Pearl Harbor-scale event.”

But the last few days have ushered in an explosion of this rhetoric from politicians and journalists alike. On Friday night’s Chris Hayes show on MSNBC, two separate guests — Democratic Rep. Jerry Nadler and longtime Clinton aide Philippe Reines — posited Pearl Harbor as the “equivalent” of Russian meddling.

Should We Bomb Russia?

None of these hypocrite fools making war claims have said what they would do about it.

The Intercept cites “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd, for doing his best 2002 impression of Bill Kristol, decreeing in a predictably viral tweet that all patriotic Americans are duty-bound to focus on the question of what we should do to “punish Russia”:

If this really is another "Pearl Harbor" or another 911, shouldn't we be bombing Moscow?

At least have the decency to say. On second thought, please shut up. We have had enough of these asinine comparisons.

What About US Acts of War?

Please watch that clip of former CIA director James Woolsey.

Apparently, it's an act of war when Russian trolls go on a Tweetstorm, but not an act of war when we supply weapons and incite riots to take out foreign governments.

Where is the Evidence?

Pat Buchanan discusses evidence and US hypocrisy in his article Is That Russia Troll Farm an Act of War?

Buchanan points out some obvious hypocrisies in his article, but missed one of the biggest of all: Us meddling in an Iranian coup to install a US puppet for the oil industry.

Buchanan then gets down to brass knuckles with this line of thought on Hillary.

What do these indictments of Russians tell us? After 18 months, the James Comey-Robert Mueller FBI investigation into the hacking of the DNC and John Podesta emails has yet to produce evidence of collusion.

Yet we do have evidence that a senior British spy and Trump hater, Christopher Steele, paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign and DNC to dig up dirt on Trump, colluded with Kremlin agents to produce a dossier of scurrilous and unsubstantiated charges, to destroy the candidacy of Donald Trump. And the FBI used this disinformation to get FISA Court warrants to surveil and wiretap the Trump campaign.

Why is this conspiracy and collusion with Russians less worthy of Mueller’s attention than a troll farm in St. Petersburg?

Michael Moore Trapped

Michael Moore, the polemical filmmaker who has long accused President Trump of colluding with Russians, posted videos and pictures of himself participating in a protest in Manhattan that was allegedly organized by Russians in November 2016.

Prosecutors said Friday that the Russians indicted for meddling in the presidential campaign were also behind anti-Trump rallies that occured after the election.

The government alleged in an indictment signed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller that the defendants organized a Nov. 12 “Trump is NOT my President” rally in New York. Their “strategic goal” was to “sow discord in the U.S. political system,” the indictment said.

Russia's Clever Strategy

Damn them Russians. They swung the election to Trump, then rallied against Trump as part of a clever “strategic goal” to “sow discord in the U.S. political system.

Trump spent about $238.9 million through mid-October, compared with $450.6 million by Clinton's. That equals about $859,538 spent per Trump electoral vote, versus about $1.97 million spent per Clinton electoral vote.

Wow. It's quite amazing how troll-bots can steal an election from someone with a $450.6 million campaign war chest.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

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Bam_Man
Bam_Man

The US debt Ponzi is about to blow sky-high, any day now. That is evidently why these psychpaths are desperate to start a major war ASAP.

lol
lol

Obama meddled in Libya,syria,egypt,venuzuela drone the crap outta yemen ,Somalia,double tapped thousands of men,women and children allowed the slaughter of embassy personnel so he could fund raise the he and hillery washed their hands of the mess and just walked away,where was all the anger then?

KidHorn
KidHorn

The democrats are scaring me. If they take control of the house and/or senate next year, who knows what they'll try to do. I suspect at a minimum they'll try to impeach Trump.

flubber
flubber

Hmmm.....The Russians are for Trump. The Russians are against Trump. Sounds like a typical Fortune-500 company donating to both the Republican candidate for president and the Democratic candidate for president. Make up your mind!

shamrock
shamrock

The FBI definitely did not use the Steele Dossier to spy on the Trump campaign, that's total BS. Carter Page was not part of the Trump campaign, and they used Papadopolous's own diarrhea mouth to open an investigation against him. 18 months is not a long time for an investigation of this magnitude. Hell, the investigation into Hillary's emails is now into it's 6th year.

formula57
formula57

Some may say it was an act of peace to keep Clinton from winning the presidency. Who can tell?

formula57
formula57

There is surely enough evidence to suggest the Russians should be asked who their pick is for winning in 2020 and 2024.

TFrustrated
TFrustrated

Supposedly the Russian Bot brigade got heavily involved with the Florida shooting.

TFrustrated
TFrustrated

Playing both sides. Screams for gun control and protests and the 2nd amendment side as well. Stir the pot and keep it boiling.

TFrustrated
TFrustrated

If twitter was "only twitter" its one thing. Every news organization picks up twitter with only a handle and amplifies the opinions. Even appelate courts are making decisions.

Jojo
Jojo

I always assumed that the CIA/NSA was meddling in Russia (and other nation states) elections and day-to-day living also. If we aren't, then what the hell are they spending their massive budgets on? Get trolling CIA! Fight fire with fire.

Jojo
Jojo

Then we wind up with Pence. Doubt Dems want tightass very conservative Pence in the President seat.

Carl_R
Carl_R

This is one of those times where I completely agree with Mish. It's just silly to think it's ok for the CIA to spread disinformation around the world, but not ok for others to spread it here. Now, if they were alleged to have hacked the voting system, and actually changed the outcome, I might feel differently.

Mike Mish Shedlock
Mike Mish Shedlock

Editor

If they actually hacked voting and changed votes, I would feel differently

Stuki
Stuki

The only insight of any value to take from this, is that if it matters a lick to anyone what some Russian dude said or did during the US presidential election, the US President has way too much power over what matters to people.

If the indoctrinati only had the sense to focus on fixing that, real, problem; instead of busying themselves hopping around like childish puppets and pumping their fists for the whichever hack the regime puts on teevee; the nonsensical “Russian” “problem” would go away, all by itself.

cambeiu
cambeiu
stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

The rooskie trolls spent less than 1% of what others (politicians, parties, companies) spent on the internet to influence the election, and they did it so stupidly it is unbelievable. Did they really think CA or MA was not going to vote for Hitlery? Plus Mueller admitted they had no influence on the election. The indictment of 13 russian entities for whom they could not show a link to Putin, and will never get their hands on is this month's Great NothingBurger. Facebook says the rooskies spent a TOTAL of $46,000. The MSM is touting a "million $ a month". And the people watching that BS don't think they are being brainwashed by propaganda. SAD!

philbq
philbq

The Russians who had a conspiracy of tweets were like a comedy act, and had no effect on the 2016 election. But the U.S. has been manipulating elections for a long time. After the founding of the CIA in 1947, the U.S. secretly intervened in the Greek election of 1948. U.S. election dirty tricks has continued until today. The U.S. govt. spent billions to create uprest in Ukraine, overthrow the elected leader, and replace him with a U.S. stooge, ratified by the U.S.-funded show election. So if a few Russians tried comically to subvert the 2016 election, it is sweet irony. Karma, Baby!

Steve Bull
Steve Bull

If US politicians can justify/rationalise war because of supposed Russian interference in US elections based on some internet trolling, then there are many, many other sovereign nations that could justify war against the US Empire for far more egregious reasons from economic sanctions to overt invasion/occupation. The hypocrisy is beyond belief...

ReadyKilowatt
ReadyKilowatt

We need to grow the heck up and study some history. Not the whitewashed cartoon history we're taught in schools, but the real story. How about we look back to the days of yellow journalism? Or the constant smear campaigns of the reconstruction era? Maybe then we can stop pretending that Politician is a noble career choice.

shamrock
shamrock

SweetKenny: again, Carter Page was not part of the Trump campaign. Donny said so himself.

Ambrose_Bierce
Ambrose_Bierce

Its hard to tell if blogger X or blogger Y is a Russian trollbot, any writer critical of the US government can find his readership, and clickons and MONEY flow improving nicely when the trolls get on board. What writer doesn't find cause with their audience? This time around (midterms) it's not going to be as easy for them, or for you blogger XYZ, to accept their favors. And we are too this point, perhaps, where we say, If You Are Anti-American, get the hell out of here.

shamrock
shamrock

FDR: "A date which will live in infamy", G.W. Bush: "A great people have been moved to defend a great nation", D.J.Trump:" They are laughing their asses off in Moscow".

Kinuachdrach
Kinuachdrach

Not so long ago, in the dark days when Barry Soetero was "president" -- is it OK now to say he was Not My President, or is that still Raaacist! -- he instructed Brits to vote against Brexit, and implied that a UK out of the EU would have a hard time getting trade deals with the US. That was clearly a top-level effort to influence the result of a democratic election in another country. Did Barry actually launch a war with this unprovoked attack on the UK? And let's not even talk about Barry's girls fomenting the actual overthrow of a democratically-elected government in the Ukraine.

RonJ
RonJ

"They attacked the core of our democracy." The American mainstream media attacked the core of our democracy, colluding with the Hillary campaign, against Trump, meddling in our election.

ThinkItOver
ThinkItOver

An act of war was the US force-fed re-election of the Booze Boris in 1996. It is one of the most shameful events of contemporary history. “Alleged Russian meddling” if it was to be taken to a face value, was a Sunday school pick nick compared to this gross intervention to the national sovereignty.

wootendw
wootendw

The US is descending into kooksville.

Wolfpack12
Wolfpack12

The Democrats are the real and present danger.I t's a sad day but it's the truth.

TheCaptain
TheCaptain

Russia had nothing to do with Clinton's loss. I predicted she would lose long before Trump was even a candidate.