Terrible Showing by Bloomberg in the Debate: Will it Matter?

Mish

Michael Bloomberg lived down to the expectation he was not a good debater. And then some.

Bloomberg did so poorly in the debates he would have been far better off to have not qualified.

Having qualified, he might have done better to not show up.

Bloomberg gave the single worst response in debate history.

Bloomberg vs Warren

When asked about sexual misconduct allegations of employees bloomberg responded “None of them accuse me of doing anything other than, maybe, they didn't like a joke I told.”

Warren chimed in: “I'd like to talk about who we're running against. A billionaire who calls women fat broads and horse-faced lesbians, and no I'm not talking about Donald Trump, I'm talking about Mayor Bloomberg.”

Good Moments

All the candidates had their moments. But none had the disasters of bloomberg.

Bloomberg even missed a slam-dunk layup when asked about the billions he made. He should have talked about how many people he employed and how much they made.

Instead, Warren and Sanders piled on about his billions.

Pitiful

Debate Performances

I would rate rate the debate performances in this order.

  1. Biden
  2. Buttigieg
  3. Warren
  4. Sanders
  5. Klobuchar
  6. Bloomberg

Biden made no mistakes and had many good moments. Arguably Warren had the best moments but she needed the best moments just to get back into the ballpark.

Once again Warren praised Klobuchar. It is because of Warren's earlier debate praise that Klobuchar got as far as she did.

Who Won?

It's easier to say who lost than who won.

I was just on Coast-to-Coast live radio to give an economic update. The political update was just prior to me. That person commented about Bloomberg's miserable performance but also about the great performance of Sanders.

I think Sanders was just so-so. He took a lot of hits.

But given the dismal performance of Bloomberg, is that good enough?

I don't know. I do know that Trump bounced backs off a horrendous debate after I wrote him off. It's possible Bloomberg does the same.

Key Moments

The Wall Street Journal Live Coverage (found it hours after the debate) had the best coverage I have seen.

Buttigieg: We Should Nominate an Actual Democrat

"Let's put forward someone who's actually a Democrat," he said, in a dig at Mr. Bloomberg, a former Republican, and Mr. Sanders, an independent. "Look -- we shouldn't have to choose between one candidate who wants to burn this party down and another candidate who wants to buy this party out. We can do better."

Warren Defends Her Plan

Warren derided former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg’s “Medicare for All who want it” approach as “a slogan thought up by his consultants. It’s not a plan, it’s a PowerPoint.” She called Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s health-care plan “a Post-It note.”

Meanwhile, she said, Mr. Sanders “relentlessly attacks everyone” who asks how he tries to make his plan work, and then his aides say it probably won’t happen anyway,” drawing "ooohs" from the audience.

The candidates defended themselves. Former Vice President Joe Biden said: "I'm the only one who has actually gotten anything done on health care," a reference to former President Obama's Affordable Care Act.

More on Bloomberg's Worst Moment

A moderator asked why he wouldn’t release the women who have signed NDAs from those legal restrictions.

“They signed those agreements and they’ll live with it,” Mr. Bloomberg said, drawing audience boos.

Elizabeth Warren said, “I hope you heard what his defense was: I’ve been nice to some women.” She asked him exactly how many NDAs Mr. Bloomberg has, and he did not respond.

Election Betting Odds

On Election Betting Odds, updated every minute, Bloomberg took a big hit, but no one seemed to benefit.

Predictit Response

Predictit Prior to the Debate

Predictit Following the Nevada Debate

Before the debate Sanders was ahead everywhere but Florida. In Florida Bloomberg was ahead.

After the debate, Biden jumped ahead in four states and Bloomberg none.

Yet, Sanders only rose 2 cents.

Conclusion

Bloomberg took a huge hit, but Biden was the biggest winner in the debate, relatively speaking.

It's better to be in Sander's position than not, but Sanders is still not on a path to get 50% of the delegates by the convention, even after this Bloomberg disaster.

Might voters look the other way on Bloomberg?

They did with Trump.

Voters still do not like socialists, with good reason. That's why Sanders bounce was only 2 cents.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (46)
Latkes
Latkes

Not surprising. Bloomberg is not Trump. He will keep messing up in other debates.

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Mish
Mish

Editor

Bloomberg really was pitiful. Don't know how else to describe it.

Mish
Mish

Editor

Best performance was Warren, but I strongly doubt it does anything for her. Bernie did not look good.

Buttigieg was well prepared, Klobuchar (who I like as the best of the lot) was not.

Jojo
Jojo

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Sechel
Sechel

Bloomberg bombed. I didn't think Sanders or Warren came off that great. Pete did well as did Klobuchar

Zardoz
Zardoz

He can bounce back if he sells out to Putin. Worked for trump.

Sechel
Sechel

be interesting to see if a week of ads can undo and reverse last night's damage.

numike
numike

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thimk
thimk

Golly Gee Willikers Batman, don't candidates debate the issues anymore ?

Quatloo
Quatloo

I generally agree with your ranking of the candidates’ performance, with the exception of Biden. He constantly talks about how he has experience on every issue, but it sounds a lot like Al Gore claiming he created the internet. I would rank his performance toward the middle of the pack—I can’t see anyone switching their vote to him based on his performance.

BillSanDiego
BillSanDiego

Warren defended her plan? You watched a different debate than I did. When asked about her "transition plan," she ripped of a series of glib snarky attacks on everyone else's plans and said nothing whatever about her plan. She's good at preplanned pit bull nasty remarks on her opponents, which is why Democrats love her, but she has nothing else other than punishing anyone who has money for being rich.

ksdude69
ksdude69

Bloomberg...........invents hft computers and gets rich off wallstreet and now bashes wallstreet. Get the **** outa here.

Sechel
Sechel

bloomberg needs to go on late night tv and do an interview. that's how he attempts to recover

Ebowalker
Ebowalker

There is no difference between trump or Bloomberg. Their style is a bit different but not that much.

The things the media is saying about sanders they said about trump. He cant win, party will lose everything, market will crash....

awc13
awc13

bloomberg blew it,he had a huge opening with his communism statement but he failed to have a comeback to bernie's "low blow" comeback.

warren nailed bloomberg on his NDAs and his past degrading comments. i suspect there will be more videos from the past involving bloomberg.

RonJ
RonJ

"Buttigieg: We Should Nominate an Actual Democrat"

The Washington Post thinks the Democratic Party elites should nominate the candidate, not the common Democratic Party members. Jonathan Gruber said the voters are stupid. As with the Trump impeachment, the Democratic Party elite said they had to impeach, as the voters can't be trusted to make the right decision.

The Democratic Party doesn't believe in democracy.

KidHorn
KidHorn

Glad I didn't watch a second of it.

awc13
awc13

bloomberg's NDA's with women he has harassed could be his Achilles heel

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john_byrne
john_byrne

Yes...look ahead to what will happen if he gets the nomination. If he refuses to release the NDAs, then Trump's campaign will look to buy some of the NDAs out and it will turn into a *#$% show.

Stuki
Stuki

NDA's, like all sleazy, backdoor, "yes but...." machinations aimed at restricting freedom of speech, is most certainly one of the once-were West's Achilles heels.

john_byrne
john_byrne

NDAs are just voluntary, civil contracts. Your freedom of speech isn't affected in the sense that you can still breach the NDA without fear of criminal prosecution. You would just be in breach of contract (a contract which you entered into voluntarily). If you received settlement money, you'd probably have to pay it back - but if someone wealthy really wants to know what's in the NDA, and is willing to pick up the tab, it might be worth it.

Sechel
Sechel

Trump won

Wmjack50
Wmjack50

Socialists want to take your stuff---It's easy to become a socialists but you need a gun to stop(Venezuela)

abend237-04
abend237-04

Whew! That was close. Another 30 minutes and they might have all killed each other, leaving...yep.

yooj
yooj

Bloomberg scored several endorsements today despite the poor debate performance yesterday, from members of the House, including one prominent one. The establishment Dems will side with Bloomberg no matter Bloomberg’s delegate count, unless Biden recovers. So, to prevail, Sanders has to go into Milwaukee with a majority of delegates or at least a very, very strong plurality (I’d say > 45 percent ). Otherwise, they will “unify” around Bloomberg.

Sechel
Sechel

The medium is the message. We're in an era where reality tv show stars and celebrities that know how to communicate matters more than experience and ability. Sanders has never sponsored any legislation in all his years in the legislature nor ran a committee, Pete Buttigeg was a mayor of a small city not even the largest in Indiana, our President honed his communication skills on a reality tv show and from starring in wrestling broadcasts, before that we had Obama who was a community organizer and was a junior Senator. Being a three time mayor of the largest city in America and having one of the most successful businesses in the United States and running a philanthropy that with a success record in achieving its goals hardly matters. We don't even have a governor on any of the tickets this year.

Sechel
Sechel

I know many people who have said they hate Trump and can't stand him but would vote for him if Sanders or Warren were the Democratic nominee

bayleaf
bayleaf

Bloomberg bounce back? To what? He had no standing to begin with. Never will.

Sechel
Sechel

Bloomberg is doing way better in this second debate. Nice showing.


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